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With the 5-8 Record the saints hold right now we see hope in a Playoff Race but like in most recent years. there Destiny hold on other teams shoulders,, lets start....

1.) The Most Important Thing we hold this weeknd is to defeat the other opponet wich is the Tampa Bay Bucs.The loser is out so with that we need to win which will move them below us...

2.)Everyone who is a saint fan will need to be Going for Two teams this weekend which we do not like.one is the eagles this reason is, that with a win sunday they will clinch the home filed advantage through playoffs. And you ask why is this important Hah! Let me Explain youll be amazed...... Now the other game you should watch this weekend is our rivals the Atlanta falcons With a win they will help us out in two ways

A.) By clinching a first round bye in the playoffs...Now again you you ask why does that help this new orleans team.and if the eagles win they will clinch the home field advantage and with the falcons win they will clinch the 1st round bye. and allow new orleans to set its own destiny with carolina, meaning if the saints can beat the panthers in the final week they are under the saints.

And with that the falcons wouldnt have no way to get the home field and they already will have the 1st round bye, what will they do....what all smart coaches will do take out vick which means No vick :o for the rematch against the saints giving us all the hope we need to beat Atlanta in our rematch.

Detroit will face the Vikings with a vikings win the lions will fall a game behind in the race which will put the saints up 1 game to them

Steelers wil face the Giants on Saturday and with the steelers needing a desperate win to stay first in the Afc facing a Cold Eli manning will also put us up a game to them.

We all know about St.louis and its problems put its sitting on a game ahead of new orleans if gives the saints a problem. Them Going up to face a Arizona team who struggled in the past view weeks but has come to find its Qb now. if the Rams lose one game it automatically puts the saints above them in the Race for the Wild card slots........

Its just a view teams i have examined this week there is also the bears to worry about which i have seen they will face a houston team which i have no idea and predications on at this time. ill get back to it in the mean time hit me up and tell me what you think

Die V3rse Horn For P :D resident

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We have as much chance to make the playoffs as Hazlett has becoming the dictator of the Soviet Union. Have you watched the same games as I have this season? We ain\'t gonna beat either Tampa or Carolina let alone Atlanta. The only way that we\'d win out is if all three of these teams were executed, then we\'d probably lose in overtime to the waterboys. Get a grip. :casstet:

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OH yea and we couldnt stop Julius jones Hmm sounds familar.....


Like i say imma wait till the game is played b/c in this League its any given sunday who ever wants it more and if some how haZ and Venturi has gotten this D figured out even at this late in the season there is a chance look at Carolina

1-7 \"No Chance\" 6-7 \"There Great \"

Dont play your self

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DieV3rse

Good post, dude...

I, for one, will hold out hope \'till all hope is gone.

The Saints are certainly capible of beating our next 3-opponents.

Anyone watch the World Series last year?

I believe the Red Sox were down 3-0 and then won 4 straight against the Yankees, no less.

Let\'s go Saints!!!!

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We can definitely beat Tampa.

We can definitely beat Atlanta (had them beat already, but damn, some one guard Crumpler please)

Panthers are the biggest challenge, but we had them beat last year twice, with their superstars in place.

(I know, I know, the key word in this post is \"had\")

Come on Sizzaints, let\'s roll..

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Folks,

If the defense can bring the same passion as they did in the Dallas game, they could end the season 3-0 and in the playoffs.

A couple of weeks ago I posted a Fight or Fold thread. Two of the last three games they have fought. The defense should keep doing what they have been doing: stop the run as best they can, leave Brown and MM man on the outside, and bring pressure.

As you saw in the Dallas game, the offense can function effectively if they are not 20 points behind in the 2nd quarter.

It\'ll be interesting to see if the team can continue to show playoff character. Because at this point any 5-8 team that loses another game is out of the running.

SFIAH

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I\'m going to ask this question seriously - why do you want this team to make the playoffs? Is it all of a sudden a good team? Can they win in the playoffs? Can they get to the SB let alone win it? I think the answer is No on all counts - so getting to to playoffs at 8-8 or 7-9 gives us the ominous distinction of being the least worst of a bunch of bad teams.

Now, would getting to the playoffs hurt? Could it mean Haslett and other coaches have a greater chance of keeping their jobs? Could there be less of a shake up in the front office and amongst the players? Could it mean the same old in FA and the draft? Could it mean that we miss out on good available coaches and an opportunity to finally usher in change? Yes, yes, and yes...

So my question remains - why do you want to make the playoffs?

And please don\'t give me that \"anything can happen in the playoffs\" stuff b/c no, this team can\'t win more than one game, and that one will likely be against another less than stellar team like Minnesota or Seattle.

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Whodat,

The best interest of this team would be in not winning another game, thus catapulting us in the draft. I think any level headed person on this board believes that. Not to mention, at least the coordinators will get fired, possibly the GM, and maybe Haslett(though not likely).

However, you must remember that our loyalty smears our brains, leaving most functionally retarded. We\'ll still scratch and claw for the playoffs, for that little bit of satisfaction (and probably a first round blowout on national TV), although in the back of our minds we know it will actually hurt the team in the short/long run.

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Then I will be the insane one that will continue to root for the win, regardless of the circumstances.

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I\'m sorry. I could NEVER bring myself to hope this team loses. I\'m having a difficult time understanding how anyone else could actually WANT them to lose either, but alas it takes all kinds to make a world.

Add me to the insane list. I\'d rather this team make the playoffs and win the Superbowl than to pray that they lose just so all the coaches would get fired. Hell, I\'d rather see Brooks get benched and watch the Back Up win it all for us.

I can\'t use the word, but there IS a word for someone who\'d wanna see the team lose so the coach would get fired.

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So you believe the 2004 Saints can win the Super Bowl?

It is a difficult concept, I know. It\'s generally defined as delayed gratitude. People who become doctors and lawyers understand it. It\'s the idea of having to put off immediate salary, for example, to spend 10 years in school... of course when you get out of school your earnings potential is 10 times what it would have otherwise been. Some people rush into the manual labor field after high school. Nothing wrong with that - the world needs ditch diggers. Some of us want to be more successful, and realize that you can\'t have your cake and eat it to.

Just as it is hard for you to understand this concept, it is insanity for me to believe that 2 more wins this season is more important than getting a coach in here that can make this team consistent winners with a real shot at a Super Bowl. But, the world is filled with dreamers working line jobs I guess.

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The game of football and the game of life are not one in the same, as you would make it sound. Winning football games may be insurance to their jobs, but I could give a rat\'s ass about that, nobody gives a rat\'s ass about mine.
Work is a neccesity for me to live, football is nothing more than entertainment, and just like watching the movies, if I can\'t root for the bad guy to win, despite the fact that I know 99% of the crap out there will have the guy with the white hat riding high at the end, then you are impeding on my entertainment.
And no, the Saints can\'t win the Super Bowl, I gave up on that around week 4 or 5. My girlfriend isn\'t going to be a model either, so I guess I should kick her ass out the door too, eh? Would allow me to \"upgrade\" at the \"position\", no?

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No actually the Rams are 5-8 if the Saints win out they have the tie Breaker. Also the Rams play Philly there last game which they will probably lose.

[Edited on 17/12/2004 by blackwidows]

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Well, if you\'re only goal is to be with the best looking woman you can find, then yes, but it\'s not all about looks I would assume. Likewise, the Saints aren\'t win at all costs - or in this case - lose at all costs. I want a team that is competitive, that entertains me every weekend (and not in the sense that I\'m laughing at how bad they are), and an organization I can be proud to support and proud to have represent my hometown. The Saints are none of those things right now, so I want change above a few wins that are ultimately pretty meaningless.

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Not to knock anyone\'s opinion, but some people can\'t see the forest for the trees Who. Logic is rarely a factor when it comes to this team. I think most know a few insignificant wins at the end of another terrible season won\'t help anything, but they want it for the sake of seeing the team won. They want it cause on paper it makes the record look better. They want it so our names won\'t be at the bottom of the NFC. Even though they no that it will do NOTHING to help the team long term, some people like paper champions. They like to say \"At least we didn\'t get swept by Tampa and at least we didn\'t get beat by Delhomme and at least Vick didn\'t run for 100,\" while we mire through an impossibly terrible season again. And while we watch local here Nick Saban get courted by the dolphins and our team does nothing, again. And while there are several valid coaching candidates out there. So here\'s to those who hope for meaningless wins, I hope the spector of a season similar or worse for the foreseeable future keeps you watching this team.

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Tthere\'s no way to really know if the problem is with Haz. I understand the desire to get rid of him -- I doubt I\'d lose any sleep -- but he can\'t block or run or pass or catch from the sidelines. It\'s been opined that the team has given on up him, but I\'m not certain that\'s the case. Does a new HC fix the problem whodi? It doesn\'t appear to have accomplished much here in Dallas with the Cowboys...and I don\'t think Jim is making all the personell decisions by his lonesome. That being said, I do think Venturi needs to be gone, and McCarthy\'s only saving grace, in my opinion, is that it\'s hard to call a game when you\'re playing from behind -- ALL the time.

No false starts in the last two games. Has Jim become a better coach, or have a few players on the team finally managed to remove their heads from their azzes? I don\'t think I\'m missing the forest, I just believe it\'s easy to say \"kill \'em all and let God sort \'em out\" without looking at every tree in that forest.

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Logic? Logic would ask the questions, \"Who will take the head coach\'s place for next year?\" \"Who will we pick up in free agency and in the draft next year?\" And logic would want specific answers to base a logical opinion. Since not a single person can answer those questions, logic would not adhere that we would be in a better position if we lose the rest of the season, we would simply increase the odds of change, whether it would be for better or worse. What\'s to say that, if we lose out, we end up with a higher draft pick and are able to aquire Derrick Johnson, only to see him tear his ACL in the preseason and be out the rest of the season?
Like I said before, we can agree to disagree on this one, I guess. I understand why you feel the way you do, but I don\'t agree with it. So I\'ll go dig my ditch now.

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Like I said saintfan and Black, I am not trying to knock anyone. I told you before Black, I can see your side of it, I just see it differently. As far as head coaches go that would do better, Nick Saban and Romeo Crennel. Saban purely for local ties and improving fan base and relations in Baton Rouge, and Crennel cause he has two superbowl rings under the best HC in football, and his defense is still good with a wr at cb. Free agency, I like Ken Lucas at corner. Everyone mentions Drew Brees. I\'d trade for Kitna. Walter Jones will prob be a free agent LT from Seattle I think we should take a real look at. What if Deuce tears his ACL(God forbid) what if Horn does? You can play that what if game with every player in the NFL, doesn\'t have to be a rookie draft pick. So unless Johnson has a sign over his head that says \"I will tear my ACL as soon as the Saints draft me,\" I am willing ot take my chances on him. Noone else on our team(except Mitchell a year ago) has torn their ACL, I\'ll bet he won\'t.

Oh and Saints, Parcells first year is proof of what a new coach can do. Look at Lewis in Cincy, people think we are more of a pushover than those perennial losers. Lovie had the Bears more than competitive til they lost their starting qb. So I am willing to take the chance of the unknown than stick withthe horrible known.

[Edited on 17/12/2004 by saintswhodi]

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I understand how dumb \"what if\'s\" are, because they are unfounded, but many people here like to point out that we should root for them to lose, in order to raise our chances of being a better team, through the results of losing out. Well, we really cannot specify what those results are at this point, so how do we know we\'ll be any better next year? Isn\'t that a \"what if\" as well?

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If Parcells can tank in Dallas (which he\'s in the process of doing) then Saban or Romeo or anyone else could do the same in New Orleans. They are no more likely to succeed than they are to fail. If there were a formula for this sort of thing we\'d know about it, but there isn\'t, and losing on purpose has never been my style...I can\'t even stomach the thought of it.

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Hey, I appreciate the stance you both have taken. But just ask yourself, do we know what Haslett can do for this team? Yes we do. Do we know what AB can do for this team? Yes we do. Do we know what medicority has gotten us the past 5 years? Yes we do. Has it gotten us anything positive? No it has not. So if we are not at the top, we need to be at the bottom because we all know and have fact, no what ifs, that being mediocre has gotten us jack. The bottom at least brings change, whether it will be for better or worse noone can say. But can either of you honestly say that it can get worse than missing the playoffs the last four years, botching draft after draft, and having an inability to develop players on this team that we currently have and seem to be content with keeping? I remember earlier in the season when Ic alled for them to lose out, several weeks ago, I was told by many, including you BNB, that there was no way no matter what happened short of winning a playoff game that Haslett would stay. Now a couple of insignificant wins later it is all but certain that at this point even if we lose out he will stay. We are all gonna be worse off for that decision, so why wouldn;t we wanna give something new a try?

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He \"should\" be, is much different than saying he \"would\" be. Don\'t ask me to predict the actions of this team, it\'s been hard as hell doing that over the past 26 years. I still think that we need a coaching change, but i would never guarantee something on behalf of those who I have no control over.

While doing a search to see where I said that, I found this little gem by rusta, not to change subjects or anything:
http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...=5943#pid30892

LOL!

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Who is rusta?

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I\'ve suffered for 35 plus years watching the Saints lose out and get high picks, new coaches and its gotten me SQUAT!

I wanna see them win NOW! Right frickin now!

There\'s no guarantee that losing out, getting a new staff, and a higher draft pick will actually improve this team at all. In fact history shows just the opposite.

The rumor is Haslet returns, but with new assisitanats. Thats hope enough for me.

Show me someone who wants to lose and I\'ll show you a loser.

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Because it\'s one of the goals that every NFL team has every season.
I agree it\'s no on all three counts. However in striving to get into the playoffs, maybe this team can show something that frankly we haven\'t seen the last 3 Decembers: heart. Just show a grind it out win at all costs mentality that teams that are not mediocre whot.
Beating Dallas has already hurt on this side of the ledger as out draft position next year has slid towards the middle of the round again.
The only answer I can give is that we want to make the playoffs because it\'s a goal that the team should strive to reach. It represents a step even though the record will be about the same as last year. It gives the team the opportunity to play one game alone on national TV. Striving for it gives the team, the defense especially, to show that they are not crap against one very strong playoof team (Atlanta) and another playoff contender that\'s been very very hot in recent weeks (Carolina).

Truth be told, why should anyone other than Philly even bother to play in the NFC playoffs?

SFIAH

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At the risk of being either flamed here, or being called \"pessimistic\" & \"negative,\" I think that the discussion is kinda moot. What I said in the previous post is that I truly don\'t believe that the Saints CAN win out. They may squeek by Tampa, perform a miracle with Atlanta, or Carolina, but not both.

What amazes me is that we as fans look at a team who has choked with their own fate in their hands for the past 3-4 years and then HOPE that they do something entirely out of character. I HOPE that they win out because I love the team, and want it to do well. I live and die with this bunch every season.

There are two pages of text by you same guys who post here, about what a craphead Brooks is and how we need to trade him, then come to this post and we all want him to be the \"savior\" of this season. What\'s wrong with this picture? I don\'t like Brooks, I have never liked Brooks, and I don\'t believe that he has either the heart, the will, the passion, or the intelligence to be a winning QB in the NFL. That\'s my opinion, and what I continue to say is that with the poor defense, the inconsistent, leaderless offense, and the ridiculous management decisions of this franchise, that we won\'t rise to the occasion.

I like this forum a lot. It is, seriously, the most intelligent and well run group of the lot. I have a high regard and respect for those who post here because we have civil and well thought opinions for whatever topic that we post about. But, looking at what we have said in a number of threads regarding poor play, poor coaching, and poor management and then looking at this thread, the opinions are contradictory.

I\'ll go on record as saying that I want the Saints to win in my heart. I\'ll also go on record as saying I don\'t believe that they will make the playoffs or if they do go very deep into them, because primarily of the lack of defense, the lack of leadership on the offense, and the attitude of certain (Brooks mostly) players on this team and this is from watching what they have done in the recent past and what my brain tell me.

:exclam: :exclam: :exclam: :exclam:

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Logic, BnB, tells us at very least that cleaning house would force change. Change brings opportunity. The change COULD make the team worse, yes, but they could also get better. If nothing changes, do you think this team, after 4 years, will magically wake up and start playing together - start playing smart football - start living up to their potential? I feel overly confident that nothing will change with Haslett at the helm. Great deeds require great risk. Fire \'em all and maybe two years or three years from now you\'ve got a real chance, but if not, what have you lost?

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Heck with the playoffs ... I\'m wondering if we\'ll even win a divisional GAME this season!

Of course, I\'d like us to win out. Like all of us, I support the team no matter how unhappy I am with them. But each of these teams has already beaten us once, and the Panthers game was possibly our most embarrasing showing (or lack thereof) of the year.

I ain\'t holdin\' my breath...

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im the first to wish for a new coaching staff and some new players. but our d has played better the last 2 weeks. if we can make the playoffs ill take it. but only if we can come out in the next three games and look good doing so. i dont want to make the playoffs playing the way we have this season. but if we got our act together over the next three weeks and played well and won every game and mafe the playoffs it be nice to watch them in january for once. so im hoping but i see us loosing two of our fianl three.

but hey if were keeping has no matter what then **** lets make the playoffs for us at least