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I don\'t understand this. If we trade him, why do we owe him the bonus money? I can understand we\'d have to pay up by releasing him, but if he\'s traded shouldn\'t his new team have to foot the bill, per his contract that they would then own? What a stupid rule...

Makes that Johnathan Sullivan situation look entirely bleak, doesn\'t it?

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Ahh, I see. Thanks for the explanation. Doesn\'t make it suck any less, but at least I understand a little better now.

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God how I would love to play Brooks after we traded him. Blitz, blitz, blitz, blitz, blitz, blitz.
Backwards pass, fumbles, smiles......wait, I hope no other GM is reading this, I don\'t want to lessen his trade value.

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Hey Gator, the guy who runs that site\'s name is Jason. He is actually an agent and has two baseball clients and an NFL client I believe. He is really just getting started these last few years. I know hin cause I moderate on thie other forum, football.about.com and he is a moderator also and just got his website running a few months ago. If he is hearing this rumor, he is not pulling it out his arse. He is semi-connected int he biz. Just thought i\'d let you know.

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As a side note, http://www.mosneaky.com is another hilarious site, and focuses on fantasy football. Not trying to advertise for their site, just thought you guys would enjoy the humor in some of his posts.

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\"The Saints also would be smart to determine whether they can find (and afford) someone better than Brooks on the free-agent market.\"

I read that article. And this is what stood out, and why I disagree with the timing of the AB trade. Do we have the $$ to spend on a Brees right now, when we have 2 LB\'s, a CB, some OL and DT to be gotten????

I understand why everyone wants AB\'s head. I understand why we expect so much from our QB (after all, our team has always had such great QB\'s, it\'s an insult now (Sarcasm!))
Sure we need a new identity, etc. Let\'s get a leader MLB to come shore up the D first.

Take care of the defense, get an O coordinator who can use the talent we have NOW, and THEN we should think trade AB.

I just don\'t like the timing. It has to happen but not sure if now is the right time.

I think AB will be gone next year. He wants out as much as many Saints fans want him out.

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I\'m confused. Where are the Musketeers?

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Wow, nice rumor article and thanks for the explanation Gatorman. I dunno... how long do they invest in Brooks? I feel like if another vet comes in who has had limited success he may bring us to another level. It happens a lot in the NFL.

I also think that if Brooks had the right coach he would be a game breaker. Which begs the question, why not trade his QB coach and what about another offensive coordinator.

Any which way, even if Haslett stays, I think there will be some BIG changes on the way for next season, including new assistants and some new leaders.

Can anyone say Patrick Ramsey or Jeff George or Kurt Warner or Bubby Brister ( :shock: ). I hope we dont\' mess this up, but at least Brooks will not be at Atlanta so he comes here to play and has a 500 yard game.

[Edited on 12/16/2004 by Halo]

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Snippage
Take care of the defense, get an O coordinator who can use the talent we have NOW, and THEN you won\'t have to trade AB.

SFIAH

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See, I don\'t like this argument all that much either. I\'ve thought about it - maybe I just expect more of a QB, I dunno.

Look, every QB needs good people around him to succeed. No question there. AB needs help from his O-line, from Deuce, from his wideouts, from the O-coordinator, from a defense that doesn\'t make him play from behind. No question about that.

BUT - why say, build a top notch defense and improve all around so that the team can overcome AB\'s mistakes? That doesn\'t seem right either. It\'s not like we\'re dealing with Peyton Manning when he first got to Indy - give the man some help so he can be great. With AB, you\'re essentially saying, build a team that can overcome INTs for TDs, fumbles on our opponent\'s 1 yard line, backwards passes, fumbles and sacks, etc.

This is just what I look for in a QB - a guy who makes the whole team better, who brings their play to the next level - not a streaky guy who sometimes helps and who you sometimes have to win in spite of.

Halo - I really like the idea of bringing Patrick Ramsey in here.

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Can anyone say Patrick Ramsey or Jeff George or Kurt Warner or Bubby Brister

Lay off the eggnog Halo, hehe.

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i have been a huge AB supporter in the past. but to me at times recently he does seem like he has given up. i thought last year outside of the fumbles he really started to turj a corner because he wasnt throwing as many int\'s and being stupid with the ball on pass plays. but he looks worse this year then i have seen. i mean last week those two int\'s were bad. but before we cut him or trade him lets see if we get a new coach and let him evaluate the situation and make the decision.

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Good article Gator, obliged.

Dump him, I say.

I\'ve always felt that Blake did the work back in that one season when we finally saw some success. So it\'s nice to see that management is finally wising up somewhat. (And I use that term loosely, of course).

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well.... our d was about the same (player talent wise) when zook was the D coach and they were one of the best in the eague...show you that coaching can help alot, if the players want to play....

and as for the bonus money, that is why everyone wants the big signing bonus, it is guaranteed money... that is why SF is in such a ****hole money wise....they still paing JG, TO, and a few oteher players who are not even there....

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I still don\'t see trading or cutting him. I mean, name names. Who can replace him?

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Volek, Ramsey, Garrard....

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Here is my take. It is all in the last paragraph of the article. I mean who is out there that will come in replace brooks. Brees is probably your only guy. For me, I just don\'t like the guy nothing against him but I\'d rather draft a QB in the late first round/early second Alex Smith anyone?

Keep brooks for one more year. Have a young QB come in and learn the system and get experience late in the season if were not in the superbowl picture. Trade brooks after that year.

I think most people will agree brooks is not the biggest problem on the team(CB, LB). The big issue for me and most other fans I think is getting a coaching change and preferably an addition or change in the front office- although I don\'t think Benson will do it.

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Another thing I just thought of is any free agent you bring in your pretty much sticking to for a couple years. I mean who is going to come here saying ok I play for 1 year while this rookie we just drafted gets ready. Other than Kurt Warner types NO THANK YOU, no one is going to want to come if we let FAs know were going to draft a guy, and I don\'t think the team would screw somebody, signing a guy thinking he is the man and turning around and drafting a QB.

So pretty much its sign a guy or draft someone.

None of FAs look good except Brees, and definately none are better than brooks except Brees. Volek was playing KC for all you thinking about him. He is ok but better than brooks? Be truthful. Anyway regardless of whether you think Volek is better or not, would guys pretty much agree its sign a FA or draft a QB and then stick with them for at least 2 years.

[Edited on 17/12/2004 by saintsfan200]

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1) who wants a rookie to come in a learn from brooks?!?!

2) Volek was ahead of Carr at Fresno State, Carr could not beat him out and had to wait til he graduated the Univ. I believe one season he was like 30 td\'s to 3 int\'s.... he was a great QB who was overlooked.... who knows?!

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And once more our team history, the drafting of or bringing in young players does not work. We never allow them a chance to mature before we let them go. The list is long.

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profootballtalk is in line with the National Enquirer...

..I would say this about Eli Manning: here\'s the Giants schedule since Manning became the starter:

Falcons
Eagles
at Redskins
at Ravens
...and he gets the Steelers this Sunday...

.. I don\'t think Warner would\'ve faired any better than Eli has...probably even worse since Warner most likely than not wouldn\'t have withstood the shots Eli is getting..

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Kurt Warner=always overrated.

It was the Rams system, not Warner\'s \"iimmense talent\". Trent Green would have been the god if he hadn\'t gotten hurt in St Louey.

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To \"name names\" ---

Jon Kitna
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner
Mike McMahon
Jay Fiedler

I\'d be happier with any of these guys over AB...

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With the exception of Dilfer and Warner, none of those guys are going to want to come here for just 1 year, and play while a rookie develops.

I really don\'t like any of those guys except Kitna, but I don\'t want to have to commit to Kitna for the long-term(in any case really), when we can get much better QB for the long-term via the draft.

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As far as Gator\'s argument about cap room, I will say this if, the key IF we keep AB for next season and then trade him after, we should be okay. This is because if most of the big signings occur this offseason they won\'t make an impact for a couple years down the line much like AB\'s contract. We will take a large cap hit for the 06 season if we trade him after next year, but all those guys we should sign this offseason should have low cap numbers for that year. And remember if we trade AB the cap hit only stays with us for 1 year (unless we do the old wait until June 1 thing- but you get the idea).

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Alright, I\'ve had it with AB, but some of this is crazy talk. Jay Fiedler is horrible. He couldn\'t hold the job in Miami with a really solid D. (He wouldn\'t have that luxury here.) Seems like a gamer, but I don\'t want him.

Dilfer? He won a superbowl with the best D of the last 10 years. He\'s a backup who landed in the right place.

Warner? Fumblitis and picks. We\'ve already got that in AB. Succeeded largely because of the system. (Again, not a luxury here.)

I haven\'t watched kitna or mcmahon enough to comment on their games.....


Here\'s the big problem. I liked O\'Sullivan\'s game alot. The play at the end of the world bowl was as good as you\'ll see. He showed toughness and elusiveness. He was also solid every year in the preseason. I really would have like to seen Bouman go instead. (Oh yeah, he was the holder on kicks....thats something to base roster moves on.)

There aren\'t a lot of options. Unloading Brooks AND upgrading at QB will be hard to do, especially with our front office. Brees will be a hard get. He\'ll have better offers than anything the Saints will put out there. I think Hasselbeck is a FA, but he\'s pretty erratic himself. Hotshot rookie? That\'ll make for a year or 2 of ugliness.

I have one crazy scenario that may at least be interesting: Brooks to the Giants for Eli :pinkele: Maybe they give up on him and think Brooks could use a change of scenery. It would excite the fans at least. I\'m not saying that I think it\'s a good idea....just interesting.


Maybe you ditch AB for a solid defensive player and get your QB elsewhere. I don\'t know :casstet:

The organization has shown a total lack of foresight and I don\'t count on them to make any good decisions going forward. Let\'s just hope that we don\'t lose the team as a result of these shenanigans. THE LOS ANGELES THESPIANS That would be a disaster.

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Hey, I never said Kitna, Dilfer, Warner, Fiedler, or anyone else was gonna step in and be the blessed savior of our team. I simply mentioned them as experienced veterans who might be capable of coming in to do the job while a future successor is groomed. Sure, I would\'ve liked that successor to be J.T. O\'Sullivan myself, but Mike McKenzie & a draft pick was a fair deal and definately fit a need. It was, essentially, the \"trade a QB for a solid defensive player\" move yasoon mentioned. These guys I mentioned are the \"quarterbacks you get elsewhere.\"

I offered these guys as options in what will hopefully be a simpler, more run-oriented offense next season (under a new OC). They\'re guys we could probably get on the cheap side, thus freeing up more cap room.

As for successors, that\'s where the real problem begins. This crop of QB\'s is hardly a stellar one. Who is suitable for \"grooming\" - White? Orton? Leinart (if he comes out)? Those guys from Cal or Hawaii? Or heck, maybe Bouman (with a little committed development) or that Kingsbury guy we\'ve got on the practice squad are the answer.

:shrug:

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mutineer the only guy on your list worth anything is kitna. the rest are backups no better and thats just a ridiculous post

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And who would you prefer, Mr. Lombardi?

Lemme guess ... Drew Brees? VERY original...

I\'m fully aware they\'re all backups, that\'s why we could probably get \'em cheap. In a sane world, Aaron Brooks would be a backup, too...


[Edited on 18/12/2004 by mutineer10]