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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I'd like to see that PFF chart on on defensive grades. I think its a pay per view chart though. So far it looks like Lewis and Vaccaro actually did worse than White and Robinson, but all the hate is ...

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Old 09-09-2014, 09:15 AM   #21
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I'd like to see that PFF chart on on defensive grades. I think its a pay per view chart though.

So far it looks like Lewis and Vaccaro actually did worse than White and Robinson, but all the hate is directed at White and Robinson.

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Old 09-09-2014, 10:37 AM   #22
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PFF grades on our secondary...

Sunseri: 0.0
White: 0.0 (3rd best grade on defense)
Bush: -0.1
Robinson: -1.2
Lewis: -1.2
Byrd: -2.1
Vaccaro: -5.5

OK, so ya'll wanna replace Robinson huh?
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:51 AM   #23
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Want to know just how good our Center-Left Tackle is?

Armstead +2 - 9th best in the league out of 63 T that played.
Grubbs +3.9 3rd best in the league out of 63 that played.
Goodwin.. Little trouble allowing 2 Qb Hus but +2.3 run blocking 3rd best in the league out of 32 that played.

Graham 15th of 52 in Run Blocking 21 of 52 pass blocking
Was really happy with the o-line play not much bad to say about the offense other than the turn-overs.

I just can't wait for the team to get back on the field Sunday. We need to see if these guys are contenders or pretenders.

Also, never judge anytime until after the 4th game has been played, then we will know what kind of season it will be.
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Old 09-09-2014, 12:30 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
PFF grades on our secondary...

Sunseri: 0.0
White: 0.0 (3rd best grade on defense)
Bush: -0.1
Robinson: -1.2
Lewis: -1.2
Byrd: -2.1
Vaccaro: -5.5

OK, so ya'll wanna replace Robinson huh?
Yes I still do. Byrd was rated lower but he did cause a fumble. Vaccaro played like butt but his overall play in the league has been better than what he showed on Sunday plus he's younger, Lewis didn't have a good game but his track record speaks for itself. Not to mention atlanta didn't test him as much as they did prob and white because they know how good he is. IMO, he was a top 10 corner last year.

The truth is all the players ranked below robinson this past sunday are better then him over the course of the season. He is the weak link.
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Old 09-09-2014, 12:45 PM   #25
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Re: Grades from Atl NO game

Originally Posted by Danno View Post
PFF grades on our secondary...

Sunseri: 0.0
White: 0.0 (3rd best grade on defense)
Bush: -0.1
Robinson: -1.2
Lewis: -1.2
Byrd: -2.1
Vaccaro: -5.5

OK, so ya'll wanna replace Robinson huh?
Just to build off this, here are their ratings in pass coverage only:

Bush: -0.2
White: -0.4
Robinson: -1.4
Lewis: -1.4
Byrd: -1.8
Vaccaro: -2.7

Sunseri only played 2 defensive plays all game, so he doesn't count, let's be honest.

Personally, I feel the lack of reps for Byrd and Robinson in TC and preseason hasn't allowed them to cohesively gel as a unit yet nor really get used to Ryan's defense. But they'll get better. We definitely need better pass rush production from the front four though. They had an off game by their standards. But I'll give some credit to Atlanta, they took a page out of our book like most offenses are doing now, chipping the DE's with backs or TE's on their way to their routes to throw things off. NFL is a copycat league and you mimic what successful teams do. So that's a credit to us

We usually split the season series with Atlanta, so I'm not worried. New game this week and I expect we'll see improvements on the defensive side of the ball
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Old 09-10-2014, 09:10 AM   #26
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Come on guys... We can bicker all day about 1 player or look a level higher and realize the reality.

Very telling stat comparison:

All QBs that threw for 275+ yards this week and their completion %
Ryan 72.1
Luck 66
Roethelisberger 67.6
Cutler 69.4
Stafford 69.7
Flacco 56.5
Brees 69
Foles 60
Palmer 64.9
Dalton 66.7
Romo 62.2
Manning 61.1

Patrick Robinson made Matt Ryan look better than Brees and Manning? No way in hell I concede that.

Rob Ryan having our secondary play too far off made Ryan's completion % look amazing.

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Old 09-11-2014, 07:35 AM   #27
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Maybe the reason Rob Ryan had Patrick Robinson playing off is because he knows Robinson falls for the double move every time and always gets left trailing the WR for a big gain?

Even a 10 yard cushion didn't help, he still got burned, we have a P-Roblem at cornerback, the warning signs have been there for years and in preseason he gets worked by a no name undrafted WR, yeah.....real starter material right there
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PFF has changed its numbers on missed tackles.

Vaccaro 6
Byrd 3
Robinson 2
Hicks 2
Lewis 1
Hawthorn 1
Lofton 1

Total of 16
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