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Old 09-16-2014, 10:02 AM   #61
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It's 'Next MAN UP time' guys...no excuses! Isn't this why we kept 4 RB's?
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Old 09-16-2014, 10:03 AM   #62
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Watch Sproles last night, hope the decision to trade him don't bite us in the butt. Devalue of running backs need to be carefully watch by our GM, we let Bush, Ivory, J. Bell, now Sproles go and rumors that we were shopping Pierre Thomas. I am not complaining cause we did get compensated for those rb but it was hard to see Sproles in a different jersey practically carrying a team on his shoulder to victory while we're 0-2 .
The Eagles lacking talent doesn't mean that Sproles could help our defense.

Darren was a cap casualty.
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Old 09-16-2014, 10:19 AM   #63
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The Eagles lacking talent doesn't mean that Sproles could help our defense.

Darren was a cap casualty.
It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take MOST OF THE CRITICISM.
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Old 09-16-2014, 10:25 AM   #64
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It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take most of thecriticism
Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.
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Old 09-16-2014, 10:31 AM   #65
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Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.
I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now.
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Well from what I have seen we are leading the league with a 57% conversion rate on third downs. Sproles wasn't getting the yards last year and was often tackled before he gained yards. Loosing Sproles has not damaged us
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Originally Posted by nola_swammi View Post
I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now.
No sir. 3rd down conversion rate with out Sproles 58% (league high) and highest in the last 4 years.
3rd down conversion rate with Sproles
2013 44%
2012 44%
2011 57%


Is there more that went into those conversion rates in 3 years? Yes
Is there more that goes into it now? yes

I just applied your logic and no matter how you spin it. No
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Well from what I have seen we are leading the league with a 57% conversion rate on third downs. Sproles wasn't getting the yards last year and was often tackled before he gained yards. Loosing Sproles has not damaged us
ok, you throwing stats at me, what were the stats last year to compare to the two games we played this year? Logically, we know if Sproles was in the line up 3rd down would've been converted higher than what it is now. I am not blaming P Thomas on the miss block that cause the sack but if that was Sproles chances are that linebacker would've been spying Sproles instead of blitzing
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No sir. 3rd down conversion rate with out Sproles 58% (league high) and highest in the last 4 years.
3rd down conversion rate with Sproles
2013 44%
2012 44%
2011 57%


Is there more that went into those conversion rates in 3 years? Yes
Is there more that goes into it now? yes

I just applied your logic and no matter how you spin it. No
You comparing 2 games to 3 full seasons? how many times did we take a knee or just tried to run the clock out? Those stats confirm how much Sproles was effective
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You comparing 2 games to 3 full seasons? how many times did we take a knee or just tried to run the clock out? Those stats confirm how much Sproles was effective
Seriously? You do not understand what goes into the stat... 221 third downs went into that 2013 stat, you think a few knees a year effects that %? You are also assuming that Sproles was the person converting all of those 3rd downs which isnt even remotely a reality. Sproles had 124 touches in 2013 the Saints had 97 third down conversions. You are trying to tell me 78% of Sproles touches were third down conversions? Just stop...

Know what brother... you have gone off the reservation and I answered what you asked lee which didn't seem to pan out the way you expected.

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