ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World

saintz08 · 01-09-2003, 12:42 PM

Alright Saintsfan here are your dropped balls and incompletion stats .

So here are the drops for the entire league and the other number on the end is the percentage of the incomplete passes the drops account for in the total number of incompletion that team had.

Arizona Cardinals
Pass Dropped 41 16.0
Atlanta Falcon
Pass Dropped 30 14.2
Baltimore Ravens
Pass Dropped 26 12.0
Buffalo Bills
Pass Dropped 27 11.5
Carolina Panthers
Pass Dropped 34 16.3
Chicago Bears
Pass Dropped 26 11.2
Cincinnati Bengals
Pass Dropped 37 15.4
Cleveland Browns
Pass Dropped 26 12.1
Dallas Cowboys
Pass Dropped 28 12.8
Denver Broncos
Pass Dropped 33 16.9
Detroit Lions
Pass Dropped 32 10.7
Green Bay Packers
Pass Dropped 40 18.3
Houston Texans
Pass Dropped 34 16.0
Indianapolis Colts
Pass Dropped 37 18.6
Jacksonville Jaguars
Pass Dropped 30 15.5
Kansas City Chiefs
Pass Dropped 24 13.0
Miami Dolphins
Pass Dropped 18 9.8
Minnesota Vikings
Pass Dropped 22 10.0
New England Patriots
Pass Dropped 28 12.1
New Orleans Saints
Pass Dropped 37 15.0
New York Giants
Pass Dropped 29 13.7
New York Jets
Pass Dropped 13 8.3
Oakland Raiders
Pass Dropped 44 21.9
Philadelphia Eagles
Pass Dropped 33 14.3
Pittsburgh Steelers
Pass Dropped 30 14.9
San Diego Chargers
Pass Dropped 20 9.3
San Francisco 49ers
Pass Dropped 31 14.3
Seattle Seahawks
Pass Dropped 43 19.0
St. Louis Rams
Pass Dropped 39 17.2
Tampa Buccaneers
Pass Dropped 25 11.4
Tennessee Titans
Pass Dropped 28 14.4
Washington Redskins
Pass Dropped 21 8.1

Not to bad when you compare to the league .

saintz08 · 01-09-2003, 12:46 PM

Didn\'t Haslett say the dropped balls were the reason they were not winning ??

I know he made a stink about them somehow .

Like it affected the Raiders ????

WhoDat · 01-09-2003, 01:19 PM

Saintfan, I\'m still waiting for an answer to my question. Hell, I started an entire new thread about it. It\'s called \"What does AB have?\" I\'d love to hear your response to that. You see, you want to throw around stats and try to make him out to be something he\'s not. I said it before and I\'ll say it again. It\'s the intangibles that Brooks doesn\'t have. Instincts, smarts, leadership, dedication... there are no stats for that.

How can you compare the stats from Delhomme at this point to the stats for Brooks. What are those, preseason stats vs. regualr season stats? If you think that Jake has ever had the chance to go as a starter, with the first team, in a real game environment, with the coaches behind him, you\'re crazy. He hasn\'t had the opportunity to show his stuff. But again it\'s not about Jake as much as it is about Brooks being the wrong guy... and again I degress.

Saintfan - NAME ONE THING BROOKS DOES WELL? WHAT DOES BROOKS HAVE THAT ANY OTHER AVERAGE QB IN THE LEAGUE DOESN\'T HAVE? WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE HE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS LEAGUE?

I can\'t be any more forward than that, and you\'re yet to give me a straight answer. Just say, \"WhoDat, Aaron Brooks has [blank], and that, if nothing else, will allow him to be a good qb in the NFL.\" Can you do that?

saintz08 · 01-09-2003, 02:25 PM

Alright Saintsfan

Here is Brooks passing breakdown for you .

PASSES ATTEMPTED COMPLETE TOTAL INCOMPLETE
528 283 245

PCT OF
PCT OF OVERALL
TYPE NUMBER INCOMP ATTEMPTS
Pass Dropped 36 14.7 6.8
Poor Throw 75 30.6 14.2
Pass Defensed 59 24.1 11.2
Pass Hit at Line 9 3.7 1.7
Other 48 19.6 9.1
Intercepted 15 6.1 2.8

Brooks throws twice as many bad passes as he has ball dropped .

Coffees Brewin

saintfan · 01-09-2003, 03:36 PM

Ok Saintz08, I see you\'re a true statistical guy. Now tell me what you think about how those stats might have affected AB. Look up the sacks, hurries, get all the good stuff that could adversly affect a QB\'s performance and interpret them for me...but be careful. You might find yourself defending Brooks.

WhoDat · 01-09-2003, 03:41 PM

OH MY GOD. Saintfan, can you name one thing Brooks does well?

I\'ll give you an example:

WhoDat: Can you name one thing that Brooks did well in 2000?
Saintfan: Scramble.

WhoDat: You\'re absolutely right Saintfan. I stand corrected. You\'re a genius.

WhoDat · 01-09-2003, 03:42 PM

OK, we are going to try for real now. Is everybody ready?

Saintfan, or anyone else for that matter, can you please name one thing that Aaron Brooks does well as a quarterback?

saintfan · 01-09-2003, 04:03 PM

Are we talking 2000, 2001, or 2002 there buddy? Don\'t let your emotions get the best of you. Face the fact that Brooks is the best QB this team has had since Manning...period, and he\'s the best QB on the roster today. Deal with the fact that Jake failed to crack the starting lineup and has been failing to do so for 5 years. That\'s 5 freakin years man. Blame that on Haz if you feel like you should, but your ignorance is showing.

If you\'re lookin for somethin Brooks does well here\'s an answer you\'ll hate:

The Man know\'s how to toss the \'ol pigskin, thats for sure.

Brett Farve\'s rating this year was 85.6 right? Brooks\' rating was 80.1. Awefully close for sure...AWEFULLY close to the great BF huh? Brett threw for 3658 yards: Brooks threw for 3572. Now check my math, but isn\'t that a difference of about 86 yards? Real big difference huh? Remeber that TD Donte\' dropped earlier in the season? Remember that TD Boo dropped? Remember that TD Reed dropped in the last game? Add those up and there your 86 yards plus a bag of chips baby. And...um, yeah, he does scramble better than Brett too. Brett threw 27 TD\'s and 16 INT\'s. If you can stand it, Brooks threw for 27 TD\'s and 15 INT\'s...again, check my math, but thats one fewer that the great Brett Farve. Hell man, even Brett says AB\'s better at this point in his career than he was. Don\'t take it from me, take if from someone who really, truly, honestly knows the game. And yeah, that\'s just Brett\'s opinion, but he carries a little more weight than you do.

WhoDat · 01-09-2003, 04:13 PM

Name a thing Saintfan. I\'m starting to think you\'ve gone retarded. Seriously. I\'m asking you now for a one word response. ONE WORD. I don\'t want to hear about Favre. I don\'t want to hear about Delhomme. I don\'t want your answer to be about anyone other than Aaron Brooks. And, if possible, make it one word. ONE WORD. OK, are you ready?

Fill in the blank. Aaron Brooks has good [BLANK].

That word should preferably relate to his ability as a quarterback, but at this point I\'ll take anything from you that is direct, concise, and about Aaron Brooks.

saintz08 · 01-09-2003, 04:13 PM

So Brooks is better than Kerry Collins ??

Where are you coming up with that ??? What stats are we using there ???

Are we allowed to use Play off appearances ???

01-09-2003, 12:42 PM	#21
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World Alright Saintsfan here are your dropped balls and incompletion stats . So here are the drops for the entire league and the other number on the end is the percentage of the incomplete passes the drops account for in the total number of incompletion that team had. Arizona Cardinals Pass Dropped 41 16.0 Atlanta Falcon Pass Dropped 30 14.2 Baltimore Ravens Pass Dropped 26 12.0 Buffalo Bills Pass Dropped 27 11.5 Carolina Panthers Pass Dropped 34 16.3 Chicago Bears Pass Dropped 26 11.2 Cincinnati Bengals Pass Dropped 37 15.4 Cleveland Browns Pass Dropped 26 12.1 Dallas Cowboys Pass Dropped 28 12.8 Denver Broncos Pass Dropped 33 16.9 Detroit Lions Pass Dropped 32 10.7 Green Bay Packers Pass Dropped 40 18.3 Houston Texans Pass Dropped 34 16.0 Indianapolis Colts Pass Dropped 37 18.6 Jacksonville Jaguars Pass Dropped 30 15.5 Kansas City Chiefs Pass Dropped 24 13.0 Miami Dolphins Pass Dropped 18 9.8 Minnesota Vikings Pass Dropped 22 10.0 New England Patriots Pass Dropped 28 12.1 New Orleans Saints Pass Dropped 37 15.0 New York Giants Pass Dropped 29 13.7 New York Jets Pass Dropped 13 8.3 Oakland Raiders Pass Dropped 44 21.9 Philadelphia Eagles Pass Dropped 33 14.3 Pittsburgh Steelers Pass Dropped 30 14.9 San Diego Chargers Pass Dropped 20 9.3 San Francisco 49ers Pass Dropped 31 14.3 Seattle Seahawks Pass Dropped 43 19.0 St. Louis Rams Pass Dropped 39 17.2 Tampa Buccaneers Pass Dropped 25 11.4 Tennessee Titans Pass Dropped 28 14.4 Washington Redskins Pass Dropped 21 8.1 Not to bad when you compare to the league .
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

01-09-2003, 12:46 PM	#22
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World Didn\'t Haslett say the dropped balls were the reason they were not winning ?? I know he made a stink about them somehow . Like it affected the Raiders ????
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01-09-2003, 01:19 PM	#23
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World Saintfan, I\'m still waiting for an answer to my question. Hell, I started an entire new thread about it. It\'s called \"What does AB have?\" I\'d love to hear your response to that. You see, you want to throw around stats and try to make him out to be something he\'s not. I said it before and I\'ll say it again. It\'s the intangibles that Brooks doesn\'t have. Instincts, smarts, leadership, dedication... there are no stats for that. How can you compare the stats from Delhomme at this point to the stats for Brooks. What are those, preseason stats vs. regualr season stats? If you think that Jake has ever had the chance to go as a starter, with the first team, in a real game environment, with the coaches behind him, you\'re crazy. He hasn\'t had the opportunity to show his stuff. But again it\'s not about Jake as much as it is about Brooks being the wrong guy... and again I degress. Saintfan - NAME ONE THING BROOKS DOES WELL? WHAT DOES BROOKS HAVE THAT ANY OTHER AVERAGE QB IN THE LEAGUE DOESN\'T HAVE? WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE HE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS LEAGUE? I can\'t be any more forward than that, and you\'re yet to give me a straight answer. Just say, \"WhoDat, Aaron Brooks has [blank], and that, if nothing else, will allow him to be a good qb in the NFL.\" Can you do that?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-09-2003, 02:25 PM	#24
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World Alright Saintsfan Here is Brooks passing breakdown for you . PASSES ATTEMPTED COMPLETE TOTAL INCOMPLETE 528 283 245 PCT OF PCT OF OVERALL TYPE NUMBER INCOMP ATTEMPTS Pass Dropped 36 14.7 6.8 Poor Throw 75 30.6 14.2 Pass Defensed 59 24.1 11.2 Pass Hit at Line 9 3.7 1.7 Other 48 19.6 9.1 Intercepted 15 6.1 2.8 Brooks throws twice as many bad passes as he has ball dropped . Coffees Brewin
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01-09-2003, 03:36 PM	#25
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World Ok Saintz08, I see you\'re a true statistical guy. Now tell me what you think about how those stats might have affected AB. Look up the sacks, hurries, get all the good stuff that could adversly affect a QB\'s performance and interpret them for me...but be careful. You might find yourself defending Brooks.

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01-09-2003, 03:41 PM	#26
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World OH MY GOD. Saintfan, can you name one thing Brooks does well? I\'ll give you an example: WhoDat: Can you name one thing that Brooks did well in 2000? Saintfan: Scramble. WhoDat: You\'re absolutely right Saintfan. I stand corrected. You\'re a genius.
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01-09-2003, 03:42 PM	#27
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World OK, we are going to try for real now. Is everybody ready? Saintfan, or anyone else for that matter, can you please name one thing that Aaron Brooks does well as a quarterback?
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01-09-2003, 04:03 PM	#28
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World Are we talking 2000, 2001, or 2002 there buddy? Don\'t let your emotions get the best of you. Face the fact that Brooks is the best QB this team has had since Manning...period, and he\'s the best QB on the roster today. Deal with the fact that Jake failed to crack the starting lineup and has been failing to do so for 5 years. That\'s 5 freakin years man. Blame that on Haz if you feel like you should, but your ignorance is showing. If you\'re lookin for somethin Brooks does well here\'s an answer you\'ll hate: The Man know\'s how to toss the \'ol pigskin, thats for sure. Brett Farve\'s rating this year was 85.6 right? Brooks\' rating was 80.1. Awefully close for sure...AWEFULLY close to the great BF huh? Brett threw for 3658 yards: Brooks threw for 3572. Now check my math, but isn\'t that a difference of about 86 yards? Real big difference huh? Remeber that TD Donte\' dropped earlier in the season? Remember that TD Boo dropped? Remember that TD Reed dropped in the last game? Add those up and there your 86 yards plus a bag of chips baby. And...um, yeah, he does scramble better than Brett too. Brett threw 27 TD\'s and 16 INT\'s. If you can stand it, Brooks threw for 27 TD\'s and 15 INT\'s...again, check my math, but thats one fewer that the great Brett Farve. Hell man, even Brett says AB\'s better at this point in his career than he was. Don\'t take it from me, take if from someone who really, truly, honestly knows the game. And yeah, that\'s just Brett\'s opinion, but he carries a little more weight than you do.
	C'mon Man...

01-09-2003, 04:13 PM	#29
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World Name a thing Saintfan. I\'m starting to think you\'ve gone retarded. Seriously. I\'m asking you now for a one word response. ONE WORD. I don\'t want to hear about Favre. I don\'t want to hear about Delhomme. I don\'t want your answer to be about anyone other than Aaron Brooks. And, if possible, make it one word. ONE WORD. OK, are you ready? Fill in the blank. Aaron Brooks has good [BLANK]. That word should preferably relate to his ability as a quarterback, but at this point I\'ll take anything from you that is direct, concise, and about Aaron Brooks.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-09-2003, 04:13 PM	#30
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	ARTICLE: Haz in his Own World So Brooks is better than Kerry Collins ?? Where are you coming up with that ??? What stats are we using there ??? Are we allowed to use Play off appearances ???
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