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Old 12-27-2004, 08:41 AM   #1
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OK I see now. Saints forums apparently are only for venting, complaining and whining.
After a loss the boards are truly hopping at a fever pitch.
After a win, crickets chirping, tumbleweed tumbling.

Why do you come here?

Is it only to vent?
Is it only to celebrate?

I'll throw you vent-guys some assistance, since I'm sure you're still in saddened state of shock, and probably on suicide watch since we won't finish 4-12 and have a top 10 pick anymore...

"Yeah, we won, but it was against their scrubs."
"If Vick had played we'd have lost big."
"If it weren't for Lewis, we'd have lost for sure."
"Yeah, so what, Jake is gonna destroy Brooks."
"Even though we won, Brooks is still the main problem."
"Big woop, even if we make the playoffs we'll get crushed 1st round."
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Old 12-27-2004, 09:15 AM   #2
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danno i just got back into town but man i dont care if we beat all 2nd team players. we are more then likely one win out of the playoffs and ill take it. at least their playing hard. and our d hasnt let up over 20 in the last three. we do have a huge challenge this week but lets hope.
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Old 12-27-2004, 09:17 AM   #3
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I promised a few members I would keep my detrimental statements to a minimum until the true heartbreak happened. I said we would prob beat Atlanta, then rip hearts out with an egg at Carolina. Say what you will, Brooks is still terrible or do you not watch the games? Another red zone INT, he has to lead the league over the past few years. If not for overly inspired play by the D and the special teams, again it would have been hard to come up with the win. But yet again they are playing over their heads. I don\'t particularly like being called out but will respond when I am.

\"Yeah, we won, but it was against their scrubs.\"
\"If Vick had played we\'d have lost big.\"
\"If it weren\'t for Lewis, we\'d have lost for sure.\"
\"Yeah, so what, Jake is gonna destroy Brooks.\"
\"Even though we won, Brooks is still the main problem.\"
\"Big woop, even if we make the playoffs we\'ll get crushed 1st round.\"
Good to see you haven\'t yet been blinded and can still see some truth. Question, does an AB led team have a victory over a Delhomme led team yet? Even with Carolina with their main starters out and AB\'s squad fully healthy? Even with Carolina\'s o-line just as terrible as ours? Shockingly maybe to only you Danno, no they don\'t.

So in the spirit of the holiday season, I tried to tether my disappointment that this team has bamboozled the faithful yet again and could not even get losing right, but some folks just have to poke a sleeping grizzly with a stick to get their kicks.
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Old 12-27-2004, 09:50 AM   #4
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Say what you will, Brooks is still terrible or do you not watch the games?
Yes I watch the games, every game in fact. But I watch the whole game.

Brooks not so great? YES I\'ll agree wholeheartedly. He is a mediocre NFL QB. At times realy good and at times really bad, but constantly inconsistent.

But to say Brooks is terrible? Not exactly. If Brooks is TERRIBLE then we\'d better keep Haz/McCarthy and crew because to put up solid numbers on offense with a terrible QB and a horrible O-line suggests they must be coaching their assses off.
Well I don\'t think so and I hope Benson doesn\'t think so either.



I don\'t particularly like being called out but will respond when I am.
Not calling you out. Just commeting on how quiet the boards are after a win versus a loss.



Question, does an AB led team have a victory over a Delhomme led team yet?
No, does Deuce? Does Horn?

Shockingly maybe to only you Danno, no they don\'t.
The only thing I find shocking is that we have a defense on pace to finish among the worst in NFL HISTORY and people still point at the QB. Then if you point that fact out to anyone they immediately think you must think AB is a top 5 QB.
Last I checked, there are 53 players on each team, not one. Or do you not watch the games?

but some folks just have to poke a sleeping grizzly with a stick to get their kicks.
Just trying to get some responses after a win. After a loss there\'s a ton of folks here clubbing grizzlies over the head to get theirs

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Old 12-27-2004, 10:14 AM   #5
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OK I see now. Saints forums apparently are only for venting, complaining and whining.
After a loss the boards are truly hopping at a fever pitch.
After a win, crickets chirping, tumbleweed tumbling.

Why do you come here?

Is it only to vent?
Is it only to celebrate?

I\'ll throw you vent-guys some assistance, since I\'m sure you\'re still in saddened state of shock, and probably on suicide watch since we won\'t finish 4-12 and have a top 10 pick anymore...

\"Yeah, we won, but it was against their scrubs.\"
\"If Vick had played we\'d have lost big.\"
\"If it weren\'t for Lewis, we\'d have lost for sure.\"
\"Yeah, so what, Jake is gonna destroy Brooks.\"
\"Even though we won, Brooks is still the main problem.\"
\"Big woop, even if we make the playoffs we\'ll get crushed 1st round.\"
..maybe the forum is not busy because people are away on Christmas vacations?

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Old 12-27-2004, 10:14 AM   #6
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Okay Danno, let\'s look at the NFL. Who gets the credit for the Steelers wins? Big Ben. Who gets the credit for the Pats wins? Tom Brady. Credit for Giants losses? Eli. See a trend? Big Ben wins handing off to Bettis and having the league\'s number one D, but he gets the headlines. Brady wins cause of a genius coaching staff and a group of intelligent players around him. Brady gets the headlines. The Giants receivers and o-line are terrible. And their defense is without several of its best players. Who gets the blame for losses? Eli. That\'s how it is. This team is winning DESPITE Aaron Brooks. Look at it how you will, that is the truth. Brooks is terrible. And if what they are putting up to you is \"solid numbers\" then I am glad you don\'t run the team cause you will overpay for any mediocre players. The defense is now putting up solid numbers, so is the special teams. but to feel an offense that has not scored a point in the first quarter of 11 straight games has been putting up \"solid numbers\" is pure fantasy.

As far as AB verses Jake goes, who hands off to Deuce and throws to Horn? AB. If he is terrible, how does Deuce or Horn get a chance to beat anyone? The qb touches the ball EVERY OFFENSIVE PLAY, therefore has the most power to decide the outcome of the game. Jake beat us without his Deuce(Davis) without his Horn(Smith) without his Stecker(Foster), need I go on? So Jake vs AB is exactly that, Jake verses AB and AB has yet to notch a victory, even with Jake\'s team practically handicapped by injury. Unless you somehow feel AB could perform BETTER without Horn, Deuce and Stecker. Jake certainly has.

The only thing I find shocking is that we have a defense on pace to finish among the worst in NFL HISTORY and people still point at the QB. Then if you point that fact out to anyone they immediately think you must think AB is a top 5 QB.
Last I checked, there are 53 players on each team, not one. Or do you not watch the games?
A defense that has played it\'s asses off the last 3 games and are the MAIN reson we are winning anything. Again the AB led offense has been outscored 114-10 in the 1st quarter. I wonder how many defenses will look good with that kinda deficit EVERY GAME. See, we can make stats say whatever we want. Think AB\'s turnovers in the red zone don\'t demoralize a defense? What about a 20 yard backwards lateral to a lineman, albeit an open one? Or an underhanded pitch to an open opposing lb for a td? Yeah, sounds like the guy I wanna play my heart out for.
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Old 12-27-2004, 11:23 AM   #7
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Let\'s face it, people try to use this board to vent. When things are good, they go elsewhere or don\'t care. I\'ve never seen better numbers than when we lose.

Everyone should participate even when we win. Just post something positive and try not to make everything look so bad. Brooks had a bad game yesterday but we won. I\'ve seen Favre have bad games also and the Pack win, same with Manning and the Colts.

I just can\'t blame everything on Brooks.

And I\'m really REALLY excited that we have a chance to play for a playoff spot. That\'s all I ask. Sunday will be the first game I will be at the Sportsbar early with my Deuce 26 jersey on with my season ticket buds really pulling (and praying) we win, wanting a good good game. For me, Sunday is already going to be like a playoff.

Hope St Louis gets trounced tonight.

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Old 12-27-2004, 11:30 AM   #8
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So much I disagree with, so little time to address.
Okay Danno, let\'s look at the NFL. Who gets the credit for the Steelers wins? Big Ben.
No he doesn\'t. I don\'t know of a single person who thinks the Steelers are only Ben.
Who gets the credit for the Pats wins? Tom Brady. .
No he doesn\'t. He gets tons of accolades but most experts will point to a solid organization top to bottom 1st and foremost.
Credit for Giants losses? Eli. .
No he doesn\'t. The press is falling over themselves defending him because of his poor supporting cast.
he gets the headlines..
Is that Brooks problem? Not enough headlines? LOL

The Giants receivers and o-line are terrible. And their defense is without several of its best players. Who gets the blame for losses? Eli. That\'s how it is.
So even if the QB isn\'t the problem (bad WR\'s and O-line), he should get the blame?
I don\'t understand your logic.
And if what they are putting up to you is \"solid numbers\" then I am glad you don\'t run the team cause you will overpay for any mediocre players. The defense is now putting up solid numbers, so is the special teams. but to feel an offense that has not scored a point in the first quarter of 11 straight games has been putting up \"solid numbers\" is pure fantasy. .
17th in the league total offense.
32nd in the league total defense.
If you think Offense is the problem I certainly don\'t want you running the team either.
As far as AB verses Jake goes, who hands off to Deuce and throws to Horn? AB. If he is terrible, how does Deuce or Horn get a chance to beat anyone? .
???? You lost me with that one.
The qb touches the ball EVERY OFFENSIVE PLAY, therefore has the most power to decide the outcome of the game. Jake beat us without his Deuce(Davis) without his Horn(Smith) without his Stecker(Foster), need I go on? .
You don\'t think a great defense plays a part in winning/losing? Bet NFL much?
I\'m curious, did Dilfer get all the credit for the Ravens superbowl victory?

So Jake vs AB is exactly that, Jake verses AB and AB has yet to notch a victory, even with Jake\'s team practically handicapped by injury. .
I was kinda hoping to see 11 versus 11. Is AB gonna play defense against Jake? Is Jake gonna play defense against Aaron?
Hmmm, lets recap the 1st Carolina game shall we.

1st possession
1st down-Perfect pass to Joe Horn, DROP
2nd down-Deuce predictably up the middle for 3
3rd down-Perfect pass to Deuce, DROP

2nd possession
1st down-Deuce predictably to right for 2
2nd down-Perfect pass to Deuce, DROP
3rd down-Brooks scrambles for 7.

3rd Possession
1st down-Deuce predictably left for 3
2nd down-Deuce hit 5 yards behind line, fumbles, another TD Carolina

Yup, looks like ole Jake vs AB to me! LOL
A defense that has played it\'s asses off the last 3 games and are the MAIN reson we are winning anything. Again the AB led offense has been outscored 114-10 in the 1st quarter.
Wait a minute, I thought you said the QB gets the credit, thats how it is.

Well SHAZAM! The defense starts to play decent (hardly great) and we start winning. Whoda\' thunk it?

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Waz up Danno, I\'m usually here alot but the past several months the job has taken over. I don\'t care if the Saint\'s make the playoffs against high school teams. When they beat Carolina this week, they will then play the Packers in the first game of the playoffs, which in my opinion we have a very good chance of winning. So we could actually win 11 games this season, my prediction was 11-5, just three more losses then I predicted.
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Old 12-27-2004, 12:24 PM   #10
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I don\'t even know where to start with showing you all the errors Danno. In case you haven\'t heard, the media is filled with Big Ben 12-0 and Brayd loses game against the Dolphins with his uncharacteristic 4 picks and Ben is better than Eli caus eEli is 0-6 and he is 12-0. If you don\'t see those reports, you either choose not to watch ESPN, Fox Sunday Countdown or CBS pregame show. ALso choose to ignore ESPN\'s web page, the NFL\'s, and any other reports. Reload that answer and try again.

So even if the QB isn\'t the problem (bad WR\'s and O-line), he should get the blame?
I don\'t understand your logic.
This isn\'t my logic, it\'s how it works. Like I said, if you choose to avoid the main media sports outlets, you won\'t see this. Once again, this is where the media places the blame mainly, the qb. Should I say it again to get the point across? Media=blame qbs for losses and praise them for wins. I will repeat it further down so you won\'t again draw the inference that that is my idea. I KNOW it isn\'t all Eli\'s fault the Giants lose, yet all you get out of the news is Eli is 0-6 and he won;t be a Peyton and he is no Ben and blah blah blah. SO say it with me now, media=blames qbs for losses, praises for wins, get it now?

17th in the league total offense.
32nd in the league total defense.
If you think Offense is the problem I certainly don\'t want you running the team either
So an offense that goes 3 and out EVERY first quarter and never gives it\'s D a lead is fine with you? Like I said, glad you aren\'t in the front office. If you can\'t see a direct correlation between horrible plays by the offense and a poor defense, I don\'t know how to expand your range of view. Offense turns the ball over in the redzone, is that the defense\'s fault. INT in the opposing team\'s red zone, I guess that is the defense\'s fault too. Okay.

???? You lost me with that one.
It wasn\'t hard either. AB hands to Deuce, and throws to Horn. Let me make it simple, if AB fumbles the snap, does that effect Horn or Deuce? Yup. If AB throws an INT or a backwards pass, does that effect Horn or Deuce? Yup. Can Horn or Deuce have done anything to change that? Nope. Get it now?

You don\'t think a great defense plays a part in winning/losing? Bet NFL much?
I\'m curious, did Dilfer get all the credit for the Ravens superbowl victory?
Yeah, look at the great defenses the Colts, Vikes, and PAckers have. Playoff teams. I am sure they are hanging their every victory on the defense. lol

I was kinda hoping to see 11 versus 11. Is AB gonna play defense against Jake? Is Jake gonna play defense against Aaron?
Hmmm, lets recap the 1st Carolina game shall we.
Way to be sarcastic. Let me know when AB wins a game without Deuce, Stecker, and Horn and then we\'ll talk.
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