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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Dennis Allen is available... That would be the one move to fix this ailing secondary. Loomis needs to make the phone call....

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Old 10-15-2014, 12:12 PM   #11
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Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Dennis Allen is available...
That would be the one move to fix this ailing secondary. Loomis needs to make the phone call.
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Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Dennis Allen is available...
If it were up to me, I'd hire Dennis Allen as a secondary coach IMMEDIATELY, shake his hand, wink at him across the table and then basically promise him first crack at the defensive coordinator position if Ryan screws things up ANY further. And I'd make Allen a "Mole" that reports to Loomis and Payton and Benson, on what the hell is happening in Ryan's defensive meetings and on his white boards. I don't trust Rob "ready to get weird" Ryan any further than I could throw him, at this point.

Payton has already gotten in trouble with being too hands-off, and giving the Defensive coordinator too much leeway, before -- with GW. In fact, the Saints coaches and organization have recently gotten in trouble with being too hands-off with the defensive staff TWICE, if you count Spags losing the team in the year Payton was out....this is probably on Vitt, too, since he is supposed to be Payton's right hand man.

Somebody needs to be following Rob Ryan to Miss Mae's after the games, taking notes on the meetings and copying his Powerpoint slides, or do whatever it takes to monitor him and his players. Right now I just don't trust the guy. Allen would be a huge improvement to bring him back, but the problems may be even bigger than that.
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If it were up to me, I'd hire Dennis Allen as a secondary coach IMMEDIATELY, shake his hand, wink at him across the table and then basically promise him first crack at the defensive coordinator position if Ryan screws things up ANY further. And I'd make Allen a "Mole" that reports to Loomis and Payton and Benson, on what the hell is happening in Ryan's defensive meetings and on his white boards. I don't trust Rob "ready to get weird" Ryan any further than I could throw him, at this point.

Payton has already gotten in trouble with being too hands-off, and giving the Defensive coordinator too much leeway, before -- with GW. In fact, the Saints coaches and organization have recently gotten in trouble with being too hands-off with the defensive staff TWICE, if you count Spags losing the team in the year Payton was out....this is probably on Vitt, too, since he is supposed to be Payton's right hand man.

Somebody needs to be following Rob Ryan to Miss Mae's after the games, taking notes on the meetings and copying his Powerpoint slides, or do whatever it takes to monitor him and his players. Right now I just don't trust the guy. Allen would be a huge improvement to bring him back, but the problems may be even bigger than that.
I don't know about Allen as a DC.

His only stint as a DC, 2011, his team finished 20th in yards allowed and 24th in points.
As a head coach, his defenses finished 18th in yards and 28th in points in 2012 and 22nd in yard and 29th in points in 2013.
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The blame begins and ends at Rob's door. this is his system and he made all the moves over the past two years.
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Well he was certainly a better jack of all trades than he is a safety at the moment.
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In the box safety... reference Troy Polamalu.
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Yep. In the box safety.
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Old 10-15-2014, 08:34 PM   #19
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Does Vaccaro have the sophomore blues? I can't help but wonder if Byrd doesn't feel comfortable here and if the back issue is on his mind?
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Dennis Allen is available...
I thought coach & Loomis would scoop him up when he was released by the raiders.
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