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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by lsutigerfan If someone buys tickets with there hard earn money, who in the bleep are you to tell them to give there tickets away??? I'm sorry, but I agree with Payton and JayFoster. Seattle clearly has the ...

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Old 10-29-2014, 11:33 AM   #21
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Re: Payton wants more from fans

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan View Post
If someone buys tickets with there hard earn money, who in the bleep are you to tell them to give there tickets away???
I'm sorry, but I agree with Payton and JayFoster. Seattle clearly has the best home-field advantage in the league. It used to belong to the Saints, but the fans at games have gotten lazy recently. Every game I have been to over the past couple of years has had large numbers of supposed Saints fans that refused to make any noise while the educated fans are doing their best to help out the team.

Yes, you can sit on your ass or stand placidly while the opponent's offense is on the field, but in doing so you, in my personal opinion, surrender all rights to criticize the efforts of the defense.

Watch the Seahawks fans the next game. You will not see a single person not raising all grades of hell when their defense is on the field. Then watch the Saints crowd and you'll see one in every two simply taking up space being useless.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:40 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
This is a typical commentary. And who did you see sitting on their butts?

As for the cliche' of "we don't know what we're talking about": There are some dumb fans out there, but there are a lot more of us that no more than we're given any credit for. Do we know everything? No, because we aren't members of the organization. You can be a professional athlete or coach, and you still won't know what's going on with any other team but yours, as far as game plan and what sort of financial plans a team might have. We can't know those things.

But the game, itself, is not hard to understand. There are certain self evident truths that can't be denied. When you see something being done over and over again, and it isn't working, it's fair to say as a fan that it isn't working, and perhaps it's time to change some things. When fans are complaining, it's usually about pretty simple stuff. You don't need to know the ins and outs of what goes on behind the scenes to be able to observe the game of football and identify a problem. But we get treated like a bunch of dumb jocks from the coaches perspective. These guys give THEMSELVES way too much credit.
I have regularly seen virtually half the Dome crowd recently sitting on their butts or standing, but not making a sound, when they should be trying to make it hard on the opponent's offense. THAT is a fact.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:41 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by hagan714 View Post
i have to agree. i missed the return years and the superbowl run. last time i was in the dome was last year and i have to say i was disappointed in the noise level much less the energy level at both games.

getting comfy with winning?
expecting to win year in and year out?
have saints fans have become complacent?
have the real fans been priced out od the dome?

Saints fans seem to do only the bare min. heck it was louder with less fans in the seats and a crapper team on the field back in day.

as a 13th player the 50% fans in the seats deserve a D grade for their performance.

The seahawks and chiefs fans get all the praise. those are open air stadiums also. fans should be ashamed.

the dome aint what it use to be
I agree completely with all of your points. I am seeing the exact same thing.
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Old 10-30-2014, 11:27 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
This is a typical commentary. And who did you see sitting on their butts?

As for the cliche' of "we don't know what we're talking about": There are some dumb fans out there, but there are a lot more of us that no more than we're given any credit for. Do we know everything? No, because we aren't members of the organization. You can be a professional athlete or coach, and you still won't know what's going on with any other team but yours, as far as game plan and what sort of financial plans a team might have. We can't know those things.

But the game, itself, is not hard to understand. There are certain self evident truths that can't be denied. When you see something being done over and over again, and it isn't working, it's fair to say as a fan that it isn't working, and perhaps it's time to change some things. When fans are complaining, it's usually about pretty simple stuff. You don't need to know the ins and outs of what goes on behind the scenes to be able to observe the game of football and identify a problem. But we get treated like a bunch of dumb jocks from the coaches perspective. These guys give THEMSELVES way too much credit.

Good gracious.

None of us have any clue how the game is played at the NFL level. We think we know but we don't have any idea.

This is in a lot of sports actually and not just football.
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Old 10-30-2014, 11:32 AM   #25
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Originally Posted by xan View Post
Jay,

I want to apologize for some of our members giving you a personal foul for the above.

You're right, we all think we know what we're talking about, but in the end, we're just fans. Probably better educated than most, and definitely more opinionated than most, and absolutely more inebriated than most.

Don't be a stranger and post more often.

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It's no problem at all.

I consider myself ignorant of the game as well because I've never coached or played at the NFL level.

I like to pretend I know something but the truth is if I were to have a conversation with any NFL Coach about how the game is played, I'd sound like an idiot.

I just happen to know what I don't know. Most people refuse to believe what they don't know.

I do visit the board a lot, I just don't post much.

I just posted on this getting loud issue because it is the ONE thing fans can do to make a difference in the game.

I try to make that difference.

If others want to sit on their rear-end, I think they should just stay home or give their tickets to someone else. I don't understand why you go to a game if you aren't yelling. You can just watch it on tv at the house.
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Old 10-30-2014, 11:38 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
I'm sorry, but I agree with Payton and JayFoster. Seattle clearly has the best home-field advantage in the league. It used to belong to the Saints, but the fans at games have gotten lazy recently. Every game I have been to over the past couple of years has had large numbers of supposed Saints fans that refused to make any noise while the educated fans are doing their best to help out the team.

Yes, you can sit on your ass or stand placidly while the opponent's offense is on the field, but in doing so you, in my personal opinion, surrender all rights to criticize the efforts of the defense.

Watch the Seahawks fans the next game. You will not see a single person not raising all grades of hell when their defense is on the field. Then watch the Saints crowd and you'll see one in every two simply taking up space being useless.
This is 100% on the money.

The last I checked, the Seahawks have THE MOST pre-snap penalties for opposing teams.

Why?

Crowd noise.

Their fans KNOW they can change the game.

I think some season ticket holders are turning into the wine & cheese crowd like the Carolina fans.
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I think some season ticket holders are turning into the wine & cheese crowd like the Carolina fans.
That's still better than the moonshine and possum crowd in Atlanta.
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That's still better than the moonshine and possum crowd in Atlanta.
Ha! The Clowns have a crowd?
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Ha! The Clowns have a crowd?
Absolutely they do.

Some times they have over a hundred fans show up for a home game.
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That's still better than the moonshine and possum crowd in Atlanta.
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Ha! The Clowns have a crowd?
Originally Posted by Utah_Saint View Post
Absolutely they do.

Some times they have over a hundred fans show up for a home game.
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