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Old 11-11-2014, 05:18 PM   #1
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Saints or New Orleans Spanx?

We are 1st in the Division, no question, but people keep eluding that we might actually be a good team on the edge of actually being a good team.

The evidence is there, we have lost our fair share of close games but at the end of the day the NFC South has lost their fare share of beat downs so it's a tough call.

I'm undecided. I guess we could go on a good run but some things would have to be cleaned up for good before we go any further.

One being special teams and understanding the locality of the ball in terms of field position. Not sure how this is even on the table this late in the season but it absolutely is a problem.

A ball that could have been easily downed at the 5 turns into a touchback for no other reason that being unaware that you have to stop it before it goes into the endzone. Mind numbing ignorance. I could rant on for a while but my point is that in order to turn the corner we need more focus on the play at hand and understanding that on 4th down they may just heeve one 51 yards FTW because there is no other option.
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I think we have a very good team with a lot of talent. I think the real problem could be coaching on both sides of the ball. Maybe other teams are finally starting to figure Payton out. I happen to catch the games on the radio often when I cant be in front of the tv, and its becoming pretty common for the announcers to call out plays before they happen or mention tendencies of our playcalling.
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I think we have a very good team with a lot of talent. I think the real problem could be coaching on both sides of the ball. Maybe other teams are finally starting to figure Payton out. I happen to catch the games on the radio often when I cant be in front of the tv, and its becoming pretty common for the announcers to call out plays before they happen or mention tendencies of our playcalling.
All teams get figured out. Some times it takes awhile. Greatest show on turf(Rams) Air Coreal(San Diego) 2009-2011 Saints the reason I give examples of these teams they have 1 thing in common, the defense was not really that good. I still believe that defense wins championships and without 1 that is actually good( the steel curtain, Tampa Bay, Dallas,) all back in the day those teams were tough to get by on gameday and all but Tampa were dynasty teams, look at San Fran with Montana thet had good D to go with the west coast O. The 2011 Saints O was as good of an O that I ever got to see in my life, just imagine if we had a good D to go along with that firepower. I do believe we are figured out and to overcome we must have a dominate defense if we go any farther than we have since 09.
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All teams get figured out. Some times it takes awhile. Greatest show on turf(Rams) Air Coreal(San Diego) 2009-2011 Saints the reason I give examples of these teams they have 1 thing in common, the defense was not really that good. I still believe that defense wins championships and without 1 that is actually good( the steel curtain, Tampa Bay, Dallas,) all back in the day those teams were tough to get by on gameday and all but Tampa were dynasty teams, look at San Fran with Montana thet had good D to go with the west coast O. The 2011 Saints O was as good of an O that I ever got to see in my life, just imagine if we had a good D to go along with that firepower. I do believe we are figured out and to overcome we must have a dominate defense if we go any farther than we have since 09.
I agree. I've told my friends several times by the time we get a legitimate D, our O will be gone,and man it sure seems to be headed that way. We had a good D last year, but our O struggled a lot. I know statistically we had a top 5 Offense,but we didn't look like one....or at least like the one we had. I guess because we weren't balanced...we had no run game and Drew was throwing like 50 times a game. I like our offense this year. It may not be the high flying attack we had, but we are top 5 and look very balanced.
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i agree, with the exception of this. in regards to you saying all teams get figured out and you mention the rams, they won what, two superbowls before getting figured out? idk anything about san diego. also you have to remember during those days where the steel curtain, tampa, and dallas defenses were good/great they were able to play DEFENSE. meaning that we didnt have these chippy calls we see today. receivers actually had to fight for catches, unlike today the defenders basically has to run down field with a reciever and hopes to make a play and oh by the way the receiver gets away with a push here and there to get separation (with the exception of the hail mary jg got). you actually could put a hit on the qb without seeing a flag coming out saying you're roughing the passer. also offenses ran the ball more than they do today. i mean i can go on and on but today's defense is no where near yester-year's defenses were because the rules have changed. the nfl has geared more towards making this about the offense and not the defense. when i grew up you always had defensive guys getting mvp's and honors. who are those guys today? the only position we love giving those honors too is the qb, then the wr, and if your rb isnt approaching breaking eric dickerson record the rb isnt respected. so i do agree defense win games but under today's rules you have to win on offense. too many times i see defenses lose the game. the only time i see anything differently is when you have a bone headed play by the qb trying to squeeze a pass between tripple coverage. other than that we're unfortunately in this "win on offense era".
FYI- the Rams are 1-2 in Super Bowl appearances.

Lost first one against the Steelers when they were the LA Rams.

Won against the Titans

Lost against the Patriots in the Superdome
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It is still anyone's year, could still be us.
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Take a page from history the NY Giants made a living getting hot in November. A lot rides on injuries as well, lose a few key players and a
team can be doomed.
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Turnovers...

Stop doing that and we can hang with anyone.

Keep it up and we can't beat anyone.
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If we only had an offensive line..............
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i agree, with the exception of this. in regards to you saying all teams get figured out and you mention the rams, they won what, two superbowls before getting figured out? idk anything about san diego. also you have to remember during those days where the steel curtain, tampa, and dallas defenses were good/great they were able to play DEFENSE. meaning that we didnt have these chippy calls we see today. receivers actually had to fight for catches, unlike today the defenders basically has to run down field with a reciever and hopes to make a play and oh by the way the receiver gets away with a push here and there to get separation (with the exception of the hail mary jg got). you actually could put a hit on the qb without seeing a flag coming out saying you're roughing the passer. also offenses ran the ball more than they do today. i mean i can go on and on but today's defense is no where near yester-year's defenses were because the rules have changed. the nfl has geared more towards making this about the offense and not the defense. when i grew up you always had defensive guys getting mvp's and honors. who are those guys today? the only position we love giving those honors too is the qb, then the wr, and if your rb isnt approaching breaking eric dickerson record the rb isnt respected. so i do agree defense win games but under today's rules you have to win on offense. too many times i see defenses lose the game. the only time i see anything differently is when you have a bone headed play by the qb trying to squeeze a pass between tripple coverage. other than that we're unfortunately in this "win on offense era".
Offense needs to score points, I agree but without a D, and I mean a good D whats to stop another team from putting a 40 burger on us. The teams like Tampa and the rest of those other teams played as a plug in unit, ours can't, thats how thet won.If our D was even close to thers we would be 8-1 not 4-5. Our O scores enough each game to make that 8-1 happen. Dallas and only Dallas this season might have won. 9-0?
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