Saints defensive coordinator Rob Ryan: Everyone, coaches included, has had hand in late meltdowns

11-24-2014, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by jlaw8920

It's a no win situation right now, throw more people in box, then they tear apart White and Robinson. Put less people in the box, average a lot of running yards.

see i disagree there. it is never a no win situation. The personnel on this team is not that bad. matter of fact i have always like the core. Rob could not have walked into an easier job than following Spags. One eyed tailless monkey could have turned our ship around.

But right now it all rides on Rob to make it work given the players he has.

I expect the saints to bend but Rob needs to adjust so they do not break as much.

I in no way have given up hope but i will not let Rob slide one bit nor will i allow him to use the term WE to minimize his failures so freely.

"that's just the way it is". those words should never be said. that is what set me off. cop out statement no matter the context. if a player had said that people would raise more than one question about that player.

man up.

Saintindal · 11-24-2014, 09:59 AM

Needs to safety blitz more on those downs. Look at what Cleveland did to ATL yesterday on 3rd and longs. They murdered Ryan with those corner blitzes.
He is playing some type of Prevent (Cover 2 or 4) thats killing us. Ryan's calls are killing us.

CharityMike · 11-24-2014, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Saintindal

Needs to safety blitz more on those downs. Look at what Cleveland did to ATL yesterday on 3rd and longs. They murdered Ryan with those corner blitzes.
He is playing some type of Prevent (Cover 2 or 4) thats killing us. Ryan's calls are killing us.

Thought this myself. He is calling to much zone. Our cb's seem lost in a zone scheme. Stick to man coverage with the safety's over top.

neugey · 11-24-2014, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Hagen is correct, it is the DC's job to right the ship and he has had time and I am not defending Ryan at all, I just don't understand more a question than anything. I just have to think that with a new DC (Ryan last season or any DC) why don't they get to bring in their own people, Vitt and Johnson were not his people and what have they produced to begin with. Don't get me wrong Ryan is the culprit here because he is the DC but he was set to fail having to eat those 2 to begin with. I just wonder what a Bill Cower would say to Loomis or Payton if he wasn't allowed to bring in his own people as DC. Can't make chicken salad with chicken sh!t!! Those 2 should have been long gone. I do expect Ryan to be fired at the end of the season. I also wonder if we were ever going to transition into a 3/4 D in the first place. I think it's been a bunch of bullcrap. Either get a defense that gives us a chance to win or our window with Brees is done.

Yeah I really question if the 3-4 is the way to go for us. It is a huge personnel switch and it is not going well. You can't go cheap and run a 3-4 unless you've drafted well for years like Pittsburg. Looks at rosters like KC, Arizona, Baltimore or Washington that have the pieces in play. We have a long long way to go. I wonder if would be best to switch back to a 4-3 before more damage is done.

11-24-2014, 08:08 AM	#11
Threaded by hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by jlaw8920 It's a no win situation right now, throw more people in box, then they tear apart White and Robinson. Put less people in the box, average a lot of running yards. see i disagree there. it is never a no win situation. The personnel on this team is not that bad. matter of fact i have always like the core. Rob could not have walked into an easier job than following Spags. One eyed tailless monkey could have turned our ship around. But right now it all rides on Rob to make it work given the players he has. I expect the saints to bend but Rob needs to adjust so they do not break as much. I in no way have given up hope but i will not let Rob slide one bit nor will i allow him to use the term WE to minimize his failures so freely. "that's just the way it is". those words should never be said. that is what set me off. cop out statement no matter the context. if a player had said that people would raise more than one question about that player. man up. Last edited by hagan714; 11-24-2014 at 08:27 AM..
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11-24-2014, 09:59 AM	#12
Saintindal Rookie Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 11	Re: Saints defensive coordinator Rob Ryan: Everyone, coaches included, has had hand in late meltdowns Needs to safety blitz more on those downs. Look at what Cleveland did to ATL yesterday on 3rd and longs. They murdered Ryan with those corner blitzes. He is playing some type of Prevent (Cover 2 or 4) thats killing us. Ryan's calls are killing us.
Saintindal Rookie Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 11

11-24-2014, 12:11 PM	#13
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Saints defensive coordinator Rob Ryan: Everyone, coaches included, has had hand in late meltdowns Originally Posted by Saintindal Needs to safety blitz more on those downs. Look at what Cleveland did to ATL yesterday on 3rd and longs. They murdered Ryan with those corner blitzes. He is playing some type of Prevent (Cover 2 or 4) thats killing us. Ryan's calls are killing us. Thought this myself. He is calling to much zone. Our cb's seem lost in a zone scheme. Stick to man coverage with the safety's over top.

11-24-2014, 03:19 PM	#14
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,590 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints defensive coordinator Rob Ryan: Everyone, coaches included, has had hand in late meltdowns Originally Posted by halloween 65 Hagen is correct, it is the DC's job to right the ship and he has had time and I am not defending Ryan at all, I just don't understand more a question than anything. I just have to think that with a new DC (Ryan last season or any DC) why don't they get to bring in their own people, Vitt and Johnson were not his people and what have they produced to begin with. Don't get me wrong Ryan is the culprit here because he is the DC but he was set to fail having to eat those 2 to begin with. I just wonder what a Bill Cower would say to Loomis or Payton if he wasn't allowed to bring in his own people as DC. Can't make chicken salad with chicken sh!t!! Those 2 should have been long gone. I do expect Ryan to be fired at the end of the season. I also wonder if we were ever going to transition into a 3/4 D in the first place. I think it's been a bunch of bullcrap. Either get a defense that gives us a chance to win or our window with Brees is done. Yeah I really question if the 3-4 is the way to go for us. It is a huge personnel switch and it is not going well. You can't go cheap and run a 3-4 unless you've drafted well for years like Pittsburg. Looks at rosters like KC, Arizona, Baltimore or Washington that have the pieces in play. We have a long long way to go. I wonder if would be best to switch back to a 4-3 before more damage is done.

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