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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by DrewDat I think we get what we pay for and getting washed up overlooked Def Coordinators isn't working. I don't even think Gregg Williams was good...we just had a stud at MLB two underrated shutdown corners and ...

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Old 11-25-2014, 08:56 AM   #381
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I think we get what we pay for and getting washed up overlooked Def Coordinators isn't working. I don't even think Gregg Williams was good...we just had a stud at MLB two underrated shutdown corners and a ball hawk safety...I could have been their defensive coordinator
Are you saying Tracey Porter was a shut down CB?..

In 2010 with Williams our defense ranked 4th and we had a **** ton of injuries that year to guys like Sharper and Vilma... Greg Williams had far less talent then what Ryan has this year. This 2014 team was the most talent i have seen the Saints put together and that is what hurts the most. That is also the reason why Rob should go.
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Are you saying Tracey Porter was a shut down CB?..

In 2010 with Williams our defense ranked 4th and we had a **** ton of injuries that year to guys like Sharper and Vilma... Greg Williams had far less talent then what Ryan has this year. This 2014 team was the most talent i have seen the Saints put together and that is what hurts the most. That is also the reason why Rob should go.
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Finally, we are one of the few teams in the league with no LSU players. The Cardinals have a bunch and they own the NFL's best record.
I've noticed this myself. Considering the talent that LSU has grown why don't we have any on D. I think a freshman LSU corner could cover better than any of the Saints.
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Old 11-25-2014, 09:38 AM   #385
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bad throw, dumb play, should have ate the sack, but it starts with the oline, and they have not been good and last night was no exception.
It does start with the O-Line. But doesn't Drew Brees have an input to that?
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It does start with the O-Line. But doesn't Drew Brees have an input to that?
Our offensive line has been crazy inconsistent. Goodwin starts over Lelito and Lelito is more consistent. Tired of coaches giving the start to the "ole veteran" - what we need is the BEST player to play at any give down at every position. Unfortunately 5 years have passed since the SuperBowl season and our O-line needs a major overhaul - something we don't have in the pocketbook or draft picks to accomplish.
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Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
Are you saying Tracey Porter was a shut down CB?..

In 2010 with Williams our defense ranked 4th and we had a **** ton of injuries that year to guys like Sharper and Vilma... Greg Williams had far less talent then what Ryan has this year. This 2014 team was the most talent i have seen the Saints put together and that is what hurts the most. That is also the reason why Rob should go.
True, before this season started the consensus was that we were one of the most talented team in the entire league.

Injuries really hurt, but numerous players underachieved and badly.

Jordan, Hicks, JJenkins, Vaccaro, Bunkley, Grubbs, Goodwin, Evans, Colston, etc.

We do have a couple of talent holes, but no more than other teams. I'm convinced it isn't the talent for the most part. That talent is under-performing. Thats on the coaches in my opinion.
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Our offensive line has been crazy inconsistent. Goodwin starts over Lelito and Lelito is more consistent. Tired of coaches giving the start to the "ole veteran" - what we need is the BEST player to play at any give down at every position. Unfortunately 5 years have passed since the SuperBowl season and our O-line needs a major overhaul - something we don't have in the pocketbook or draft picks to accomplish
Sadly, all true.

In my darkest moments I think start from scratch on the whole offense. Yep we will have to suck up some terrible losses, but the team requires a major overhaul that will not be corrected by this or that draft only.
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Finally, we are one of the few teams in the league with no LSU players. The Cardinals have a bunch and they own the NFL's best record.
This. And it's NOT just LSU. The Saints have too many players that are reaches, grasps, projects, and small school picks and UDFA's. Not enough meat and potatoes guys. It kinda feels like Loomis and Payton have just gotten too far out and crazy with this small school/reaching/grasping at straws stuff.

Look at how Dallas rebuilt their O line. They're all boring picks from BIG, established, big-name football schools -- Notre Dame, Mizzou, USC, Wisconsin, Texas. BIG schools. Well known programs. THere isn't a single "surprise" pick or weird school in the bunch. Then look at the Saints D and secondary -- yes I know this type of talent scouting occasionally works miracles, and you find gems in the rough, from small schools, especially thinking of unknown guys we found on offense like Colston or Pierre Thomas; but you're fooling yourself if you think that places like Memphis, Northwest Missouri State, Boston College and "Samford" are going to consistently produce elite legitimate pro level talent, like an SEC or Big 10 level program will produce. I blame Payton and Loomis for getting caught up in this type of butterfly-chasing, when it comes to these draft picks that are reaches or grasping at straws. They've outsmarted themselves.
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IF we punch in the ball into the endzone from the 1-yard line AND Brees avoids the pick 6 this was a sure win. Those mistakes were backbreakers and I thought the team hung in there just enough despite giving up tons of offense to the Ravens.
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