ESPN's Final QB Rankings

saintswhodi · 01-05-2005, 08:47 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...eek17/rankings

I won't say anything.

FireVenturi · 01-05-2005, 02:35 PM

Just like some people on here said about the power rankings...just opinions. and testaverde???

4saintspirit · 01-05-2005, 02:38 PM

While I do not think AB deserves to be in the top 10 (definitely not statistically this year) I have to say that there were a lot of QBs ranked higher than him that I wouldn\'t trade for. So I guess it is a matter of perspective. Statistics do not always tell the whole story.

saintswhodi · 01-05-2005, 02:41 PM

These ratings are based on stats Venturi. There is nothing opinionated about them, they are fact, unlike power rankings, which are wholy subjective. Just thought it was interesting.

FireVenturi · 01-05-2005, 02:42 PM

So how does someone with more ints than td\'s and less yards get ranked ahead of him. i.e. Testeverde

saintswhodi · 01-05-2005, 02:46 PM

Read the formula for how the ratings are derived again. It is based on ranks of defenses faced and other such stats also, not just TDS, INTs, and yards. It\'s actually a very good formula for determining a qbs value. Once again, I haven\'t said anything about Leon and his ranking on it. I just said I thought it was interesting.

FireVenturi · 01-05-2005, 02:51 PM

Not sayin he is an elite qb but 19th, and i dont think he should have been #6 last year(kinda high). it is interesting as Bulger plays in the no defense division and is rated pretty high

ScottyRo · 01-05-2005, 02:52 PM

You didn\'t have to mention him. We already knew what you were after with this post.

[transparent motivation]

Anyway, Testeverde being ranked ahead of AB just shows how off this formula is. It looked at the defenses each QB played against, you say? Well wasn\'t there a game in which Testeverde played horribly against the worst defense in the league? I find it hard to believe anyone could seriously rank him ahead of AB no matter how stupid Ab plays sometimes.

FireVenturi · 01-05-2005, 02:53 PM

can i getta Amen!!

saintswhodi · 01-05-2005, 02:58 PM

It is important to remember that since we\'re measuring total value, quarterbacks who throw more passes will generally be rated higher than quarterbacks who throw fewer passes

This explains Bulger.

Led league with 33 third-down completions that did not convert a first down.

This explains why our qb is ranked pretty low. Roethlisberger won O rookie of the year yet he is only 10 so it seems fairly accurate.

Scotty, Testaverde also was one of the highest rated qbs at the beginning of the year. He didn\'t fade until towards the second half of the season. Also, just cause someone posts something they find interesting, you take from it what you will. You can judge a person\'s intent, doesn\'t mean you are right. In this case, you aren\'t. I found the whole ranking interesting, our qb was very high on it last year.

01-05-2005, 08:47 AM	#1
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	ESPN's Final QB Rankings http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...eek17/rankings I won't say anything.

01-05-2005, 02:35 PM	#2
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	ESPN's Final QB Rankings Just like some people on here said about the power rankings...just opinions. and testaverde???

01-05-2005, 02:38 PM	#3
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	ESPN's Final QB Rankings While I do not think AB deserves to be in the top 10 (definitely not statistically this year) I have to say that there were a lot of QBs ranked higher than him that I wouldn\'t trade for. So I guess it is a matter of perspective. Statistics do not always tell the whole story.
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01-05-2005, 02:41 PM	#4
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	ESPN's Final QB Rankings These ratings are based on stats Venturi. There is nothing opinionated about them, they are fact, unlike power rankings, which are wholy subjective. Just thought it was interesting.

01-05-2005, 02:42 PM	#5
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	ESPN's Final QB Rankings So how does someone with more ints than td\'s and less yards get ranked ahead of him. i.e. Testeverde

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01-05-2005, 02:46 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	ESPN's Final QB Rankings Read the formula for how the ratings are derived again. It is based on ranks of defenses faced and other such stats also, not just TDS, INTs, and yards. It\'s actually a very good formula for determining a qbs value. Once again, I haven\'t said anything about Leon and his ranking on it. I just said I thought it was interesting.

01-05-2005, 02:51 PM	#7
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	ESPN's Final QB Rankings Not sayin he is an elite qb but 19th, and i dont think he should have been #6 last year(kinda high). it is interesting as Bulger plays in the no defense division and is rated pretty high

01-05-2005, 02:52 PM	#8
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	ESPN's Final QB Rankings You didn\'t have to mention him. We already knew what you were after with this post. [transparent motivation] Anyway, Testeverde being ranked ahead of AB just shows how off this formula is. It looked at the defenses each QB played against, you say? Well wasn\'t there a game in which Testeverde played horribly against the worst defense in the league? I find it hard to believe anyone could seriously rank him ahead of AB no matter how stupid Ab plays sometimes.

01-05-2005, 02:53 PM	#9
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	ESPN's Final QB Rankings can i getta Amen!!

01-05-2005, 02:58 PM	#10
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	ESPN's Final QB Rankings It is important to remember that since we\'re measuring total value, quarterbacks who throw more passes will generally be rated higher than quarterbacks who throw fewer passes This explains Bulger. Led league with 33 third-down completions that did not convert a first down. This explains why our qb is ranked pretty low. Roethlisberger won O rookie of the year yet he is only 10 so it seems fairly accurate. Scotty, Testaverde also was one of the highest rated qbs at the beginning of the year. He didn\'t fade until towards the second half of the season. Also, just cause someone posts something they find interesting, you take from it what you will. You can judge a person\'s intent, doesn\'t mean you are right. In this case, you aren\'t. I found the whole ranking interesting, our qb was very high on it last year.