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spkb25 12-16-2014 05:49 AM

Are the young bloods on d really better?
 
What's the verdict? Can they keep it up? I like what I saw, but at the same time it was one game, it was the Bears, and there was no film. What do you guys think?

ChrisXVI 12-16-2014 05:58 AM

Re: Are the young bloods on d really better?
 
I loved what I saw but I have to control my enthusiasm a little... The Bears were a complete disgrace last night and quit very early in the game. The real test will come next week against the Failclowns. With that being said, I think we know one thing for sure: Pierre Warren is too talented to be on the bench next season. I know Byrd will be back but this kid is a natural who needs to be on the field.

B_Dub_Saint 12-16-2014 06:17 AM

Re: Are the young bloods on d really better?
 
They made tackles, were in position to make plays, so to me yes they are better.

Mr.Riaton 12-16-2014 06:25 AM

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I really like that Eboli or Edeboli kid....I don't know how it's spelled. He seems to make plays or is around the ball when he gets his chance to play.

halloween 65 12-16-2014 06:52 AM

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Players that stood out on the D last night Warren(Byrds back-up for sure now)P-Rob(held down the fort)Ediboli(good showing) Hawthorn(yes Hawthorn) and J, Jenkins( glimpse of hopefully more to come. Warren was all over last night he has great hands and looks to be a good fit at FS but as much as I like him I still feel Byrd will win the starting job but that is 1 position that should be good for years to come. Warren is a better FS than Bush is.

saintsfan1976 12-16-2014 07:02 AM

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7 sacks!

3 picks! (Warren 2)

Yes, I know it was the hapless Bears but our defense's energy was high, tackling was solid and players rallied to the ball.

Yes, the game was still sloppy but our offense made plays, no dropped passes, Drew was razor sharp.

This same performance will win at home next week.

dizzle88 12-16-2014 07:05 AM

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Yeah it might of been against the bears but if one thing Gregg Williams taught us when he was here, its that hustle wins football games

If our players have the same kind of energy vs falcons it would be huge.

SmashMouth 12-16-2014 07:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 631752)
I loved what I saw but I have to control my enthusiasm a little... The Bears were a complete disgrace last night and quit very early in the game. The real test will come next week against the Failclowns. With that being said, I think we know one thing for sure: Pierre Warren is too talented to be on the bench next season. I know Byrd will be back but this kid is a natural who needs to be on the field.

Pierre looked too talented in preseason, yet he did not make the final roster as he should have. What happened there?

saintsfan1976 12-16-2014 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 631763)
Yeah it might of been against the bears but if one thing Gregg Williams taught us when he was here, its that hustle wins football games

If our players have the same kind of energy vs falcons it would be huge.

Like I said - same performance wins at home next week.

Last night was the first time I enjoyed watching our defense in a while...

K Major 12-16-2014 07:10 AM

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It was a good start for a young group of guys in the secondary. The Bears are a mess but we beat the team in front of us.

Pierre Warren is only going to get better. Love his center field awareness. Brees was sharp and Roll tide had some nice running lanes.

Win out. Its doable men.

Jamessr 12-16-2014 07:16 AM

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Our defense normally makes a bad QB look stellar...
Last night was a different story. They look competitive and the offense controlled the clock

lumm0x 12-16-2014 11:13 AM

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All through the game I kept asking myself if we were playing good or if the Bears and Cutler were just that bad. But I kept noticing the hustle by players, chasing down plays, fighting to shed blocks and just winning one on one match ups. That has been missing so much on our defense this year.

I fully agree if we play with that same effort and heart at home versus Atlanta they don't stand a chance. But with how inconsistent we are week to week it is shaky confidence. I really want it to continue though.

Rugby Saint II 12-16-2014 01:46 PM

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The young bloods are at least showing signs of fire.

Euphoria 12-16-2014 01:49 PM

Re: Are the young bloods on d really better?
 
It was a good game for them to start and get some playing time vs an ailing O.

That Fredrick guy was a good one.

I love the idea... look if you don't do your job we will put someone else in your spot.

VegasSaint9 12-16-2014 02:15 PM

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We could just play two-high with him and warren leaving kenny to play a hybrid role next year.

VegasSaint9 12-16-2014 02:15 PM

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Kasim edebali has the hustle that junior doesnt have

MarchingOn 12-16-2014 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 631760)
Players that stood out on the D last night Warren(Byrds back-up for sure now)P-Rob(held down the fort)Ediboli(good showing) Hawthorn(yes Hawthorn) and J, Jenkins( glimpse of hopefully more to come. Warren was all over last night he has great hands and looks to be a good fit at FS but as much as I like him I still feel Byrd will win the starting job but that is 1 position that should be good for years to come. Warren is a better FS than Bush is.

Yeah, "Hawthorne"! Who woulda thought? I'm deciding if I should reconsider wanting him cut. Did our DC just figure out a better way to use him (blitz)?

Loved the idea of trying out Humber as OLB. Trying something finally, at least.

Our secondary had 3 starters who weren't even on the team 3 weeks or so ago?

MarchingOn 12-16-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 631765)
Pierre looked too talented in preseason, yet he did not make the final roster as he should have. What happened there?

If Payton and Loomis really want to "fix" things, they'd better re-examine how they didn't select for even the practice squad a player who so obviously flashed in pre-season that he was a favorite. A big miss. Underscored by a future need to sign him off the Vikes' PS....and then START him.

spkb25 12-17-2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 631887)
If Payton and Loomis really want to "fix" things, they'd better re-examine how they didn't select for even the practice squad a player who so obviously flashed in pre-season that he was a favorite. A big miss. Underscored by a future need to sign him off the Vikes' PS....and then START him.


Didn't the vikes sign him off our practice squad?

blackangold 12-17-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 631752)
I loved what I saw but I have to control my enthusiasm a little... The Bears were a complete disgrace last night and quit very early in the game. The real test will come next week against the Failclowns. With that being said, I think we know one thing for sure: Pierre Warren is too talented to be on the bench next season. I know Byrd will be back but this kid is a natural who needs to be on the field.

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Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 (Post 631876)
We could just play two-high with him and warren leaving kenny to play a hybrid role next year.

Agree about Warren but who do you bench Bush or Vaccaro? We have room for 3 safety sets but not 4, and I think Bush is better than Vaccaro at just about everything. Maybe we should trade Vaccaro while he still has some value.

ChrisXVI 12-17-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 632079)
Agree about Warren but who do you bench Bush or Vaccaro? We have room for 3 safety sets but not 4, and I think Bush is better than Vaccaro at just about everything. Maybe we should trade Vaccaro while he still has some value.

Tough call. Some of that will depend on who our defensive coordinator is next season. My initial thought was to let Bush go but I have no real reason for that.

brees84 12-17-2014 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 632079)
Maybe we should trade Vaccaro while he still has some value.

Vaccaro for Dion Jordan. lol

Papa Voodoo 12-17-2014 12:13 PM

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We almost let Bush walk this year. They will keep KV around IMO. Warren laid some wood in that game so, if they continue to play at a high level, I say Keep KV in his 3rd spot with Warren and Byrd at safety. We still need linebackers that can run, not just thump. Hawthorne, Lofton, and 98 (mind went blank) are all severe liabilities in pass coverage. We need a Vilma out there.

Mr.Riaton 12-17-2014 01:31 PM

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I remember watching highlights of Pierre Warren before preseason started and being very optimistic about him. After the first couple of preseason games,I was pretty excited about him. Glad to have him back. On a different note, I think Vacarro is having a bad year. He is a very talented player and it showed last season. I like the idea of Byrd and Warren deep with Vacarro roaming around closer in. Bush can be substituted in when needed. We have talent back there, we just need somebody to bring it together. If we can grab a good cb in FA and draft a stud LB or two ( preferably without a history of injuries),I think we would be set on D.

MarchingOn 12-17-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 632076)
Didn't the vikes sign him off our practice squad?

Don't think so. It appears we cut him from our PS and Vikes signed him in Oct. It was a surprise.

New Orleans Saints roster, practice squad: A closer look at 3 newcomers | NOLA.com

November article above says: "Pierre Warren

An undrafted free agent out of Jacksonville State (which he left after his junior year), Warren was a standout in training camp. So it was a mild surprise when the Saints cut him from the practice squad.

The Minnesota Vikings added him to their squad in October, and he worked there until he was signed to the active roster by the Saints this week.

Warren is familiar with the defense and showed a knack for making plays in camp. While it's hard to imagine him playing a lot on Monday night, the Saints have so few options that it's possible."

saintsfan1976 12-17-2014 04:42 PM

Re: Are the young bloods on d really better?
 
The difference between Cutler and Ryan is night and day.

Our secondary was able to prey on Cutler's mistakes. Matty doesn't make as many.

spkb25 12-17-2014 05:54 PM

Re: Are the young bloods on d really better?
 
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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 632145)
Don't think so. It appears we cut him from our PS and Vikes signed him in Oct. It was a surprise.

New Orleans Saints roster, practice squad: A closer look at 3 newcomers | NOLA.com

November article above says: "Pierre Warren

An undrafted free agent out of Jacksonville State (which he left after his junior year), Warren was a standout in training camp. So it was a mild surprise when the Saints cut him from the practice squad.

The Minnesota Vikings added him to their squad in October, and he worked there until he was signed to the active roster by the Saints this week.

Warren is familiar with the defense and showed a knack for making plays in camp. While it's hard to imagine him playing a lot on Monday night, the Saints have so few options that it's possible."

Ahhh, for some reason I thought they signed him directly from our practice squad, good info

hagan714 12-17-2014 06:43 PM

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take the bears as a ray of hope

we will see what happens against the falcons. then we will have an idea

but the young bucks looked hungry and were enjoying themselves.

NonieT 12-17-2014 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 632079)
Agree about Warren but who do you bench Bush or Vaccaro? We have room for 3 safety sets but not 4, and I think Bush is better than Vaccaro at just about everything. Maybe we should trade Vaccaro while he still has some value.

Yeah. You just keep dreamin'.

captainshawn 12-17-2014 07:57 PM

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The team that lost to the panties last week would have made the yogi's look like SB contenders. So I would say this was a vast improvement.


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