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Lifer 01-06-2005 12:52 PM

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While we re-build the D with new linebackers, Saints must address the safety postion. With the new pass coverage rules Saints have to have a stud satefy. I have never seen a safety with less football instinct than Tebucky Jones. With the excpetion of the strip in the final game he makles no big plays. Saints coaches always talk about him as such a physical specimen. Who cares? Top teams have safeties that make game changing big plays: bone jarring tackles, interceptions etc. Tebucky is always late to the play and is a woefully poor tackler, going high...and inevitably missing. Send Tebucky packing along with lazy, FA bust Jonathon Sullivan. Is it just me or does Tebucky truly suck?

BrooksMustGo 01-06-2005 01:03 PM

Tubucky Sucky
 
He gets lost in zone coverage from what I\'ve seen.

saintswhodi 01-06-2005 01:12 PM

Tubucky Sucky
 
Seems like he isn\'t a naturally instinctive player to me. He has the athleticism, but maybe not the \"football smarts\" to go from cover then run support. Maybe if they made his assignments real simple, then we would get better play out of him. He semed to do better closer to the line than out in space. But do we want guys we have to dumb the defense down for any more?

saintswhodi 01-06-2005 02:26 PM

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AND Haslett said before the season that Tesucky spent all off-season working on one thing, TACKLING. lol

Also gator if you read Patriot Reign, Belichek wanted Tesucky gone and was gonna cut him. He said he was dumb as a bag of rocks and he was thrilled the Saints wanted him, and that the Pats fleeced a pick out of us for him. True story. It\'s in the book. Different standards I guess.....

Lifer 01-06-2005 02:35 PM

Tubucky Sucky
 
Another example of the crack front office! Sure everyone makes mistakes in the draft. And from time to time teams will take a chance on an aging verteran hoping to get a last few good years out of them only to find they have nothing left. But to spend over the odds in free agency on a project is pathetic. :mad:

FireVenturi 01-06-2005 03:48 PM

Tubucky Sucky
 
How many years left on his contract? We cant take a big cap hit like that and his trade value suks

BIGEASY504 01-06-2005 06:24 PM

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Tebucky Jones is playing out of position. If he has to play his natural position he has less to think and more to react. Example, the Bentley move to center from guard.

FireVenturi 01-06-2005 07:17 PM

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Tebucky Jones is playing out of position. If he has to play his natural position he has less to think and more to react. Example, the Bentley move to center from guard.
what did he play in NE....SS?

WhoDat 01-06-2005 10:22 PM

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Actually, the NE system at the time he was there used 3 safeties. Why do veterans who stand out elsewhere always tank here? Coaching maybe? System (product of the coaches)? Maybe they look better elsewhere.... wonder why that is? Maybe the other coaches know how to best use their players and get the msot out of them.... just a thought. LOL :)

fact-o-bake 01-06-2005 10:38 PM

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I remember reading some quotes by Gleason this pre-season I believe. He said the scheme we have doesn\'t usually promote big plays from the free safety position. He then referenced how Sammy Knight made big plays while he was our SS. And how Bellamy looked so much better when moved from free to strong. I believe this somewhat. Tebucky\'s tackling has improved from last year, if you remember he probably fell off of 50% of attempts because he never wrapped up, only tried to strip the ball (poorly at that).
But the dude should be making some INT\'s. He doesn\'t even try for them. He just shows up late and tries to make a hit.
I think he is improving, but for what we\'re paying him, and for what he should be doing with his measurables, he is a BUST!

duece4pres 01-07-2005 03:48 AM

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Jones is fast and can hit like hell, but the knock against him is that he doesn\'t know how to use his speed to his advantage. HE OVERPURSUES!

Puddinhead 01-07-2005 10:54 AM

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Here\'s a clue. Draft round 1 and 2 to fill a need.
Most GMs in the league will tell you that\'s a sure recipe for failure. You end up with second or third round-value players as your first round pick, and third or fourth-round players as your second round pick because you\'re doing what is known as \"reaching\" to fill a need, rather than A) taking the \"best player available\" regardless of position, or B) trading down to get picks at the range in the draft where your \"need\" players should be taken. Drafting for need in the first and second rounds also leads to salary cap problems--you eventually end up with a lot of second round types you\'re paying first round money, etc., because you\'re paying them based on where they were drafted rather than on their talent level.

It\'s interesting that you would call for the Saints to use their first pick strictly to fill what is perceived as a \"need\".....since that is EXACTLY what led to their trading two first round picks in order to move up to take Jonathan Sullivan. They boxed theirselves into thinking it was imperitive that they select a DT with their first pick to fill a \"need\", and with that parameter set they felt they couldn\'t just sit with the two picks and take the two best players available at those spots because the \"first round\" DTs would be gone by then.

As for Tebucky Jones....I\'ll say one thing for him; I think we had some problems with it this season, but I do remember that it was pointed out that when Jones joined the team as the FS and Bellamy was moved to SS (this team makes less distinction between the two than many other teams in a lot of it\'s packages), replacing Knight at SS and Bellamy at FS (which was back when there was more of a defined role for each), the number of \"long\" pass plays was reduced significantly. Perhaps it\'s that Jones\' strengths lie more in taking away the deep balls and less in being the guy to ball hawk or make the big hit near the line of scrimmage, and as such he\'s being used in that manner.

blake6900 01-07-2005 11:52 AM

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Here\'s a clue. Draft round 1 and 2 to fill a need.
Most GMs in the league will tell you that\'s a sure recipe for failure. You end up with second or third round-value players as your first round pick, and third or fourth-round players as your second round pick because you\'re doing what is known as \"reaching\" to fill a need, rather than A) taking the \"best player available\" regardless of position, or B) trading down to get picks at the range in the draft where your \"need\" players should be taken. Drafting for need in the first and second rounds also leads to salary cap problems--you eventually end up with a lot of second round types you\'re paying first round money, etc., because you\'re paying them based on where they were drafted rather than on their talent level.

It\'s interesting that you would call for the Saints to use their first pick strictly to fill what is perceived as a \"need\".....since that is EXACTLY what led to their trading two first round picks in order to move up to take Jonathan Sullivan. They boxed theirselves into thinking it was imperitive that they select a DT with their first pick to fill a \"need\", and with that parameter set they felt they couldn\'t just sit with the two picks and take the two best players available at those spots because the \"first round\" DTs would be gone by then.

As for Tebucky Jones....I\'ll say one thing for him; I think we had some problems with it this season, but I do remember that it was pointed out that when Jones joined the team as the FS and Bellamy was moved to SS (this team makes less distinction between the two than many other teams in a lot of it\'s packages), replacing Knight at SS and Bellamy at FS (which was back when there was more of a defined role for each), the number of \"long\" pass plays was reduced significantly. Perhaps it\'s that Jones\' strengths lie more in taking away the deep balls and less in being the guy to ball hawk or make the big hit near the line of scrimmage, and as such he\'s being used in that manner.

You\'re a pretty smart guy. Thanks...

Puddinhead 01-07-2005 01:20 PM

Tubucky Sucky
 
No.....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


;)

Puddinhead 01-07-2005 01:34 PM

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Oh...and they were just making the point last night that Henderson will certainly have a role next season, because it\'s just about a mortal lock that Jerome Pathon won\'t be here anymore because of his cap figure. They (the Saints) won\'t want to pay him what his contract calls for to be a number three receiver coming in in three WR sets to play the slot, but he\'s good enough to be worth that figure or even a little more as some other team\'s number two on the field for most plays.


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