Something seriously wrong in this organization

captainshawn · 12-23-2014, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

We didn't have this problem when Loomis was the dedicated GM over football. Free Loomis in 2015.

There it is!

WillSaints81 · 12-23-2014, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Philadelphia eagles "Dream Team" went 6-10 after signing several great players

2014 saints were way more talented than 2009 saints, just so happened that the 2009 saints formed one of the greatest teams we've had with some very average players.

The players all complimented eachother well and worked their behinds off every day.

They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after.

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 07:59 PM

overreaction, party of 1

dizzle88 · 12-23-2014, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after.

True, but my original post was intended to show that just because a team signs great players does not mean they will be a great team

How excited did we get when we signed Byrd? And how often was he out of position in the 4 weeks he was healthy?

The answer to both of those questions is a hell of a lot.

WillSaints81 · 12-23-2014, 08:11 PM

Byrd was bad because we really only signed one big player on D but he got hurt and he had back surgery and missed most of training camp. Then we draft a CB who was not NFL ready. I admit I wanted him because of the name, he had a very saints-like name. I think he's going to play well Sunday if he plays. However, our offense is just as much to blame. We did not address our OL at all. And also, we have to take the schedule into consideration, quit buying the "you play what's on your schedule" and start considering the "you play, based on your schedule". I knew our defense was going to have a tougher challenge this year when you factor the offenses we played compared to last season. And most defenses had these problems against these teams. That was where it showed Drew needed OL help because he could not put teams away like in the past. Was it Kromer? Was it Nicks? That has to be figured out what's affecting the OL play and Drew's production. I feel Drew's becoming a diva letting his fanbase and team get slaughtered by naysayers if its true he's playing uninspired because his defense won't get him a turnover to give him a short field. I REALLY hope that is not true.

VegasSaint9 · 12-23-2014, 08:52 PM

Some of you kinda missed the point of my post.
I understand that just because you get players through free agency and the draft you might not be successful, but i feel like we completely missed in some aspects. Whether its the person evaluating these players or the people responsible in helping these players progress on the field and in games. I feel somewhere along the line its just not getting done right and we need a change before it is way beyond our time (drews time). I feel compared to other successful organizations such as Denver, San Fran, Seattle, New England, we are lacking in the scouting or development of talent.

VegasSaint9 · 12-23-2014, 08:54 PM

The fact Baptiste hasn't played any considerable amount of snaps in any game scares me really badly. I mean how could you reach that badly on a pick in the 2nd round and still not even stick him into the fire to see what he's made of especially with the clowns we had at CB this year...

blackangold · 12-23-2014, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

The fact Baptiste hasn't played any considerable amount of snaps in any game scares me really badly. I mean how could you reach that badly on a pick in the 2nd round and still not even stick him into the fire to see what he's made of especially with the clowns we had at CB this year...

I agree, if he is so bad that car salesman from the street are starting over him then he needs to be cut now. He is already too old to invest more time in.

Jamessr · 12-23-2014, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

Honestly, there has to be something wrong with this organizatiom stemming somewhere from the top. Whether it is Mickey Loomis, the scouting department, or some of the coaches. How can you lose with the "talent" we have. I think we're either seriously bad at evaluating or developing talent. You're telling me other teams would miss as bad as we have in free agency or the draft like we have? I feel like any other team with the weapons we have on both sides of the ball would have a phenomenal season. You're telling me if Denver drafted KVac or signed Byrd they would've played that poorly? Or if they had Cam Jordan he would have the season he's had here? What about Kenny Stills (not to say he hasnt played well) but he has tremendous talent and would be a phenomenal wide receiver in other well coached programs.

There's something wrong with this organization and I feel we're a few weeks away from a big article revealing another scandal or some sort of tear between players/ coaches/ management in the organization. I just can't put my finger on it, but how else can you explain this season?

My 1st responce is horsesh*t...
I'm already moved on and ready to reload for next year.
That includes Drew as our QB.
and RR as our D Cooridinator

AlaskaSaints · 12-23-2014, 11:43 PM

Coaching is the problem.

12-23-2014, 07:29 PM	#11
captainshawn Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lake Hermitage, La. Posts: 289	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by NOLA54 We didn't have this problem when Loomis was the dedicated GM over football. Free Loomis in 2015. There it is!

12-23-2014, 07:56 PM	#12
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by dizzle88 Philadelphia eagles "Dream Team" went 6-10 after signing several great players 2014 saints were way more talented than 2009 saints, just so happened that the 2009 saints formed one of the greatest teams we've had with some very average players. The players all complimented eachother well and worked their behinds off every day. They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after.

12-23-2014, 07:59 PM	#13
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization overreaction, party of 1
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12-23-2014, 08:00 PM	#14
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by WillSaints81 They signed a CB who did not even fit their scheme and tried to change it to accomodate him and the other players were not used to that. That's different. They also had no offseason because of the lockout and believe it or not, that had a real impact on the seasons after. True, but my original post was intended to show that just because a team signs great players does not mean they will be a great team How excited did we get when we signed Byrd? And how often was he out of position in the 4 weeks he was healthy? The answer to both of those questions is a hell of a lot.

12-23-2014, 08:11 PM	#15
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Byrd was bad because we really only signed one big player on D but he got hurt and he had back surgery and missed most of training camp. Then we draft a CB who was not NFL ready. I admit I wanted him because of the name, he had a very saints-like name. I think he's going to play well Sunday if he plays. However, our offense is just as much to blame. We did not address our OL at all. And also, we have to take the schedule into consideration, quit buying the "you play what's on your schedule" and start considering the "you play, based on your schedule". I knew our defense was going to have a tougher challenge this year when you factor the offenses we played compared to last season. And most defenses had these problems against these teams. That was where it showed Drew needed OL help because he could not put teams away like in the past. Was it Kromer? Was it Nicks? That has to be figured out what's affecting the OL play and Drew's production. I feel Drew's becoming a diva letting his fanbase and team get slaughtered by naysayers if its true he's playing uninspired because his defense won't get him a turnover to give him a short field. I REALLY hope that is not true.

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12-23-2014, 08:52 PM	#16
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Some of you kinda missed the point of my post. I understand that just because you get players through free agency and the draft you might not be successful, but i feel like we completely missed in some aspects. Whether its the person evaluating these players or the people responsible in helping these players progress on the field and in games. I feel somewhere along the line its just not getting done right and we need a change before it is way beyond our time (drews time). I feel compared to other successful organizations such as Denver, San Fran, Seattle, New England, we are lacking in the scouting or development of talent. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-23-2014, 08:54 PM	#17
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization The fact Baptiste hasn't played any considerable amount of snaps in any game scares me really badly. I mean how could you reach that badly on a pick in the 2nd round and still not even stick him into the fire to see what he's made of especially with the clowns we had at CB this year... nola_swammi likes this.

12-23-2014, 10:11 PM	#18
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 The fact Baptiste hasn't played any considerable amount of snaps in any game scares me really badly. I mean how could you reach that badly on a pick in the 2nd round and still not even stick him into the fire to see what he's made of especially with the clowns we had at CB this year... I agree, if he is so bad that car salesman from the street are starting over him then he needs to be cut now. He is already too old to invest more time in.

12-23-2014, 10:45 PM	#19
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 Honestly, there has to be something wrong with this organizatiom stemming somewhere from the top. Whether it is Mickey Loomis, the scouting department, or some of the coaches. How can you lose with the "talent" we have. I think we're either seriously bad at evaluating or developing talent. You're telling me other teams would miss as bad as we have in free agency or the draft like we have? I feel like any other team with the weapons we have on both sides of the ball would have a phenomenal season. You're telling me if Denver drafted KVac or signed Byrd they would've played that poorly? Or if they had Cam Jordan he would have the season he's had here? What about Kenny Stills (not to say he hasnt played well) but he has tremendous talent and would be a phenomenal wide receiver in other well coached programs. There's something wrong with this organization and I feel we're a few weeks away from a big article revealing another scandal or some sort of tear between players/ coaches/ management in the organization. I just can't put my finger on it, but how else can you explain this season? My 1st responce is horsesh*t... I'm already moved on and ready to reload for next year. That includes Drew as our QB. and RR as our D Cooridinator

12-23-2014, 11:43 PM	#20
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Something seriously wrong in this organization Coaching is the problem.

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