Savings if cut or traded

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

It's odd for me to say this but I say we cut Jordan, he is a 1 hit wonder at this point and could save us 7 mil.

Grubbs and Evans need to stay but they need a significant pay cut to do so.

Hawthorne, Bunkley and Colston are other easy cuts in my opinion. The Colston cut will be tough for some but it's clear that his production only justifies being paid like a #2 WR, but his cap hit looks like he should be top 5 in the league.

You have to look at the dead money. You cut those three and all you will free up is 9 million. That's a tough sell. Bunkley played well until he was injuried. Colston is not a top dog anymore but you saw against the dirty turds that is can still be a go to guy. It's about who you can get with the money saved. Not sure it would pay off.

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I believe you are way off. Bunkley trade or release would only save us 2.8 million. No way we sign someone equal to him for under 2.8.

Bunkley wasn't that good this year before he got hurt, and we did great without him for a huge chunk of last year. Veteran nose tackles are a dime a dozen. We don't need him.

Originally Posted by voodooido

Hawthorne we would only save 2.9 million. Again, who would be out there we could grab for that price?

We don't have to. Humber is better than Hawthorne and he's already on the roster.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Bunkley wasn't that good this year before he got hurt, and we did great without him for a huge chunk of last year. Veteran nose tackles are a dime a dozen. We don't need him.

We don't have to. Humber is better than Hawthorne and he's already on the roster.

Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games
Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games
Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games

Curtis Lofton is 5th in the NFL in tackles. Do you think that makes him the NFL's 5th-best defensive player?

Stats don't tell the whole story. I use my eyes. My eyes tell me that Humber is younger, faster, better in pass coverage and doesn't overpursue against the run all the time.

And all of Hawthorne's sacks came in one game against Jay Cutler. He is hot garbage. We would've been better off re-signing Will Herring to play that spot all year.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 10:34 PM

Are you kidding! Hawthorne is known for his run defense. I was with you in pass coverage but come on. And yes, Lofton is a stud. Imagine what he would do if the d-line would free him up.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 10:36 PM

Oh, all of Humber's 0 sacks came in one game too.

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 10:36 PM

The only thing he's known for these days is getting punked all over the field.

And Lofton is no stud. He's a good solid player and a good leader, who makes a ton of tackles because somebody has to and Hawthorne sure as hell isn't doing it. A starter ILB in this defense making 47 tackles all year is embarrassingly bad.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 10:37 PM

And getting twice the stats in less games than the guy you want to replace him. I'll stick with the sacks, ints and tackles and you stick with.....well, what YOU see.

Jack Vegas · 12-23-2014, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

And getting twice the stats in less games than the guy you want to replace him.

One is a starter, the other one a rotational player. I would hope Hawthorne would get twice the stats when he is on the field 80% of the time as opposed to the other guy. That doesn't mean he's any good.

voodooido · 12-23-2014, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

One is a starter, the other one a rotational player. I would hope Hawthorne would get twice the stats when he is on the field 80% of the time as opposed to the other guy. That doesn't mean he's any good.

Ill give you that but Humber started 5 games this season. No stats to show for those 5 games.

12-23-2014, 10:13 PM	#21
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by blackangold It's odd for me to say this but I say we cut Jordan, he is a 1 hit wonder at this point and could save us 7 mil. Grubbs and Evans need to stay but they need a significant pay cut to do so. Hawthorne, Bunkley and Colston are other easy cuts in my opinion. The Colston cut will be tough for some but it's clear that his production only justifies being paid like a #2 WR, but his cap hit looks like he should be top 5 in the league. You have to look at the dead money. You cut those three and all you will free up is 9 million. That's a tough sell. Bunkley played well until he was injuried. Colston is not a top dog anymore but you saw against the dirty turds that is can still be a go to guy. It's about who you can get with the money saved. Not sure it would pay off.
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12-23-2014, 10:19 PM	#22
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido I believe you are way off. Bunkley trade or release would only save us 2.8 million. No way we sign someone equal to him for under 2.8. Bunkley wasn't that good this year before he got hurt, and we did great without him for a huge chunk of last year. Veteran nose tackles are a dime a dozen. We don't need him. Originally Posted by voodooido Hawthorne we would only save 2.9 million. Again, who would be out there we could grab for that price? We don't have to. Humber is better than Hawthorne and he's already on the roster.
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12-23-2014, 10:25 PM	#23
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Bunkley wasn't that good this year before he got hurt, and we did great without him for a huge chunk of last year. Veteran nose tackles are a dime a dozen. We don't need him. We don't have to. Humber is better than Hawthorne and he's already on the roster. Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games
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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido Humbar had 29 tackles, no sacks and no ints, played in 15 games Hawthorne had 47 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int, played in 11 games Curtis Lofton is 5th in the NFL in tackles. Do you think that makes him the NFL's 5th-best defensive player? Stats don't tell the whole story. I use my eyes. My eyes tell me that Humber is younger, faster, better in pass coverage and doesn't overpursue against the run all the time. And all of Hawthorne's sacks came in one game against Jay Cutler. He is hot garbage. We would've been better off re-signing Will Herring to play that spot all year.
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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: Savings if cut or traded Are you kidding! Hawthorne is known for his run defense. I was with you in pass coverage but come on. And yes, Lofton is a stud. Imagine what he would do if the d-line would free him up.
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12-23-2014, 10:36 PM	#26
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: Savings if cut or traded Oh, all of Humber's 0 sacks came in one game too.
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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded The only thing he's known for these days is getting punked all over the field. And Lofton is no stud. He's a good solid player and a good leader, who makes a ton of tackles because somebody has to and Hawthorne sure as hell isn't doing it. A starter ILB in this defense making 47 tackles all year is embarrassingly bad.
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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: Savings if cut or traded And getting twice the stats in less games than the guy you want to replace him. I'll stick with the sacks, ints and tackles and you stick with.....well, what YOU see. UK_WhoDat likes this.
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12-23-2014, 10:41 PM	#29
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by voodooido And getting twice the stats in less games than the guy you want to replace him. One is a starter, the other one a rotational player. I would hope Hawthorne would get twice the stats when he is on the field 80% of the time as opposed to the other guy. That doesn't mean he's any good.
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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: Savings if cut or traded Originally Posted by Jack Vegas One is a starter, the other one a rotational player. I would hope Hawthorne would get twice the stats when he is on the field 80% of the time as opposed to the other guy. That doesn't mean he's any good. Ill give you that but Humber started 5 games this season. No stats to show for those 5 games.
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