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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I've listed the 2015 cap and dead money figures for our 2015 team. If you look at the table, its obvious that we cannot trade several players that keep popping up in trade scenarios. Aint gonna happen Player....... Pos...... Cap ...

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Old 12-23-2014, 05:45 PM   #1
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Savings if cut or traded

I've listed the 2015 cap and dead money figures for our 2015 team.

If you look at the table, its obvious that we cannot trade several players that keep popping up in trade scenarios. Aint gonna happen
Player.......Pos......Cap Figure........Dead Money........Savings if cut or traded
     
Drew BreesQB$26,400,000 ($14,800,000)$11,600,000
Junior GaletteOLB$15,450,000 ($16,200,000)($750,000)
Jimmy GrahamTE$11,000,000 ($11,900,000)($900,000)
Jahri EvansG$11,000,000 ($5,000,000)$6,000,000
Jairus ByrdS$10,300,000 ($8,800,000)$1,500,000
Marques ColstonWR$9,700,000 ($5,400,000)$4,300,000
Ben GrubbsG$9,600,000 ($6,000,000)$3,600,000
Curtis LoftonILB$9,000,000 ($5,000,000)$4,000,000
Cameron JordanDE$6,969,000  $6,969,000
Brodrick BunkleyDT$6,112,500 ($3,225,000)$2,887,500
David HawthorneOLB$6,010,000 ($3,020,000)$2,990,000
Keenan LewisCB$4,850,000 ($6,900,000)($2,050,000)
Thomas MorsteadP$3,400,000 ($2,150,000)$1,250,000
Zach StriefRT$3,200,000 ($6,400,000)($3,200,000)
Kenny VaccaroS$2,570,376 ($5,569,148)($2,998,772)
Pierre ThomasRB$2,565,000 ($830,000)$1,735,000
Rafael BushS$1,950,000  $1,950,000
Brandin CooksWR$1,905,330 ($6,077,589)($4,172,259)
Benjamin WatsonTE$1,900,000 ($400,000)$1,500,000
Erik LorigFB$1,050,000 ($750,000)$300,000
Justin DrescherLS$875,000 ($220,000)$655,000
Stanley Jean-BaptisteCB$826,530 ($1,149,822)($323,292)
Akiem HicksDE$808,225 ($135,725)$672,500
Terron ArmsteadLT$769,359 ($308,718)$460,641
Nick ToonWR$761,903 ($101,903)$660,000
John JenkinsDT$746,890 ($283,780)$463,110
Corey WhiteCB$704,125 ($44,125)$660,000
Kenny StillsWR$633,613 ($97,226)$536,387
Glenn FosterDE$587,334 ($2,334)$585,000
Josh HillTE$586,668 ($1,668)$585,000
Tim LelitoC$586,668 ($1,668)$585,000
Khiry RobinsonRB$585,334 ($334)$585,000
Vinnie SunseriS$554,125 ($132,375)$421,750
Ronald PowellOLB$552,215 ($126,645)$425,570
Marcus BallS$512,000 ($4,000)$508,000
Ty ZimmermanS$511,500  $511,500
Brian DixonCB$510,000  $510,000
Kasim EdebaliDE$510,000  $510,000
Austin JohnsonFB$510,000  $510,000
Seantavius JonesWR$510,000  $510,000
Kyle KnoxOLB$510,000  $510,000
Jalen SaundersWR$510,000  $510,000
Andy TannerWR$510,000  $510,000
Lawrence VirgilDE$510,000  $510,000
For those not familiar with the term dead money, its the money that would still count against our cap if we cut or traded a player.
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:58 PM   #2
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Nice work danno

In some instances I think we need to take a hit with the dead money to release or trade guys like David Hawthorne or Jahri Evans, however we are already quite far up the creak due to the back loaded contracts

I wouldn't be completely shocked if Colston was let go, although 5 Mil in dead money is a lot for someone that SP probably still values quite a bit
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Old 12-23-2014, 06:24 PM   #3
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IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much.

I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good.

Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.
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Old 12-23-2014, 06:26 PM   #4
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A savings of 13mil. between Evans and Jordan.....see ya! I hate to see Jordan go, but its a small price to pay for what we get in return. Combine that with a restructuring of Brees and we can build a hell of an O line...theoretically speaking.
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Nice work danno

In some instances I think we need to take a hit with the dead money to release or trade guys like David Hawthorne or Jahri Evans, however we are already quite far up the creak due to the back loaded contracts

I wouldn't be completely shocked if Colston was let go, although 5 Mil in dead money is a lot for someone that SP probably still values quite a bit
I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary.

A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver.

And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late.

The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able.
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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas View Post
I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary.

A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver.

And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late.

The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able.
Ahh right thanks JV, that's actually helped a bunch because I think I misunderstood the dead money thing quite a bit

So we do have an opportunity to free up quite a bit of money and get rid of any underachievers at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas View Post
IMO the big cuts are Hawthorne, Bunkley and Evans. That, combined with a Brees restructure, gets you in the black easily, and let's be honest those players won't be missed that much.

I hate to say that about Evans, I really do. But he is about 1/3rd the player he was when he was good.

Loomis will manage the cap masterfully as he always does.
Evans had the benefit of another pro bowl guard right next to him. I believe due to the way Brees plays it is more important for us to have strong guards than tackles. If we got a strong guard to play next to Evans I think we can still get enough solid play out of him to protect Brees for the rest of Brees career. When Brees is done we switch our focus more to left tackle.
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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas View Post
I think people misunderstand the whole dead money thing. The actual cap savings is much more important. A lot of dead money is inefficient, but it doesn't impact the overall cap number if you are replacing the dead money player with someone of comparable skill and a cheaper salary.

A simple example: For instance, if we cut Colston, we would take 9.7 million overall off the cap. We still have to pay Colston 5.4 million in dead money. But we have 4.3 million left to sign a wide receiver.

And that's the big question when it comes to these moves. Could we find a $4.3 million dollar player in free agency to replace him? It seems likely we could, considering how badly he has played as of late.

The Colts ate a ton of dead money contracts in 2012 and rebuilt that team from the ground up and have now made the playoffs three straight years. It's do-able.
Exactly.

Consider Curtis Lofton. He's way overpaid at 9 Million, but if we cut him could we find a better ILB for 4 million?
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Old 12-23-2014, 06:55 PM   #9
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I'm sure Loomis will get it right.
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Originally Posted by NOLA54 View Post
I'm sure Loomis will get it right.
Yep, its a shell game and he's one of the best at it. Most of these high cap guys will be restructured. We aren't giving them more money, we're just giving it to them as guaranteed money instead of salary.
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