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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Halo I don't see how bringing in yet another defensive coaching staff will change anything considering the poor talent we have at many positions on our defense. Keep Ryan and let the rest go. These position coaches ...

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Old 01-19-2015, 10:23 AM   #31
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I don't see how bringing in yet another defensive coaching staff will change anything considering the poor talent we have at many positions on our defense.
Keep Ryan and let the rest go.

These position coaches have consistently been awful, and you could say that 2014 was the most talent we had on defense since the Dome Patrol days. We were the paper champs before the season and did nothing but upgrade positions from 2013 to 2014. Injuries hurt but this coaching staff failed to get these guys ready to play which is why we saw no energy every week.

You'll ask, "why were we successful other years with this staff?". If you look back at every successful year defensively we have had vets here coaching up the players and motivating them. 2014 was the first year without the veteran leadership and it showed because we don't actually have coaches that teach and motivate. Look at the awful situation with SJB and Corey White; both of these players have said no communication is occurring about their future and don't have a clue what they should be working on other than "getting better".

Lastly, when is the last time this staff has developed any players?

We have had 5 different defensive coordinators but kept the same positional coaching staff for the last 10 years, how does that make sense?
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Old 01-19-2015, 04:15 PM   #32
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You're right, it doesn't make sense. We don't develop players because our defense is a band-aid patchwork year after year. Always seems to be a last minute emergency to plug leaky holes in a porous defense so we grab free agents and veterans to stop them up.

You are correct in that we keep the same position coaches and switch the DC. I don't know how that happens and how we expect change if we continue to do that as an organization. Usually a DC comes in and cleans house if they wish and bring in their own coaches.

Unfortunately we've become an AFC team 80's and 90's - all offense and sketchy defense.
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Old 01-19-2015, 04:25 PM   #33
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^ Well even the offense is struggling now.

The thing is if we don't hire a veteran defensive leader or get position coaches this offseason then I'll know if our offene is good or not. Though because of this past season the defense will probably play better next year anyway to redeem themelves only to falter in 2016.
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This defensive staff does develop players. Jordan, Galette, Bush, Greer, Harper, Shanle, Fujita, Casillas, Dunbar, McCray, Hicks have all developed or improved here.

Can anyone point to a player that we couldn't develop that went somewhere else and actually did develop?
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This defensive staff does develop players. Jordan, Galette, Bush, Greer, Harper, Shanle, Fujita, Casillas, Dunbar, McCray, Hicks have all developed or improved here.

Can anyone point to a player that we couldn't develop that went somewhere else and actually did develop?
You're right.
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You're right.
And it points the finger right at our drafting of defensive players.

We kinda suck at it.
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
This defensive staff does develop players. Jordan, Galette, Bush, Greer, Harper, Shanle, Fujita, Casillas, Dunbar, McCray, Hicks have all developed or improved here.

Can anyone point to a player that we couldn't develop that went somewhere else and actually did develop?
Ninkovich, we were trying to make a long snapper out of him before we cut him. He's playing pretty well in New England
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Re: After ‘little things’ went wrong this season for Saints, Sean Payton again vows changes will come

Are more changes coming?
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Ninkovich, we were trying to make a long snapper out of him before we cut him. He's playing pretty well in New England
He blew his ACL out twice. He never really had the opportunity to develop here or at Miami. He played very well here when he was healthy. Which was about three preseason games.
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This defensive staff does develop players. Jordan, Galette, Bush, Greer, Harper, Shanle, Fujita, Casillas, Dunbar, McCray, Hicks have all developed or improved here.

Can anyone point to a player that we couldn't develop that went somewhere else and actually did develop?
Ill give you Galette, Jordan, Harper. The rest are not established enough, or came from other teams, I am on the fence about Hicks because he took a big step back this year.

Of the list you have, how many visits to the pro-bowl do those players have? Two combined?

As you said, we draft poorly on the defensive side but this staff doesn't develop talent.

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I am not sure I would included Harper or Jordan after thinking about it. Both were 1st and 2nd round picks, development of 1st and 2nd round picks should be minimal, ideally they are guys that can be inserted into starting roles with limited coaching needed.

So, ill give you Gallete... lol
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