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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by rezburna We drafted most of the players from our Super Bowl team. Evans, Nicks, Brown, Bush, Thomas, Colston, Moore, Henderson, Smith, Porter, Harper, etc. It's not as bad as people try to make it. The draft is ...

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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
We drafted most of the players from our Super Bowl team. Evans, Nicks, Brown, Bush, Thomas, Colston, Moore, Henderson, Smith, Porter, Harper, etc. It's not as bad as people try to make it. The draft is always a risk.

Maybe it is because we have drafted so high over the last 8 or so years but it sure seems we are swinging and missing in the draft. Where are the impact players drafted recently? I can't think of a single one. Sure we have some that show up some seasons (Jordan 1 out what 4), Ingram late last year and this year. Any others? Graham has probably been the best from the 3rd round.

I don't care where we find them (draft, FA, street) whatever just get us some hungry players that want to play. We don't have that now.
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Old 01-07-2015, 07:28 AM   #12
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2006
1 2 Reggie Bush RB USC
2 43 Roman Harper SS Alabama
4 108 Jahri Evans G Bloomsburg
5 135 Rob Ninkovich DE Purdue
6 171 Mike Hass WR Oregon State
6 174 Josh Lay CB Pittsburgh
7 210 Zach Strief T Northwestern
7 252 Marques Colston WR Hofstra
2007
1 27 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
3 66 Usama Young CB Kent State
3 88 Andy Alleman G Akron
4 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
4 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson
5 145 David Jones CB Wingate
7 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee
2008
1 7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC
2 40 Tracy Porter CB Indiana
5 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
5 164 Carl Nicks G Nebraska
6 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
7 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan
2009
1 14 Malcolm Jenkins DB Ohio State
4 116 Chip Vaughn SAF Wake Forest
4 118 Stanley Arnoux ILB Wake Forest
5 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
2010
1 32 Patrick Robinson CB Florida State
2 64 Charles Brown T USC
3 95 Jimmy Graham TE Miami (Fla.)
5 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
7 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2011
1 24 Cameron Jordan DE California
1 28 Mark Ingram RB Alabama
3 72 Martez Wilson LB Illinois
3 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville
7 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
7 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2012
3 89 Akiem Hicks DT Regina (Canada)
4 122 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
5 162 Corey White SS Samford
6 179 Andrew Tiller G Syracuse
7 234 Marcel Jones T Nebraska
2013
1 15 Kenny Vaccaro SS Texas
3 75 Terron Armstead OT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
3 82 John Jenkins NT Georgia
5 144 Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma
6 183 Rufus Johnson LB Tarleton State
2014
1 20 Brandin Cooks WR Oregon State
2 58 Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska
4 126 Khairi Fortt OLB California
5 167 Vinnie Sunseri DB Alabama
5 169 Ronald Powell LB Florida
6 202 Tavon Rooks T Kansas State

there you go i think i got all the players still with the saints correct.
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Old 01-07-2015, 08:26 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
We drafted most of the players from our Super Bowl team. Evans, Nicks, Brown, Bush, Thomas, Colston, Moore, Henderson, Smith, Porter, Harper, etc. It's not as bad as people try to make it. The draft is always a risk.
You realize 90% of those players came from 1 draft right?

One good draft in the last 10 years is as bad as it sounds.
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Old 01-07-2015, 08:36 AM   #14
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Looking at that list - remember Chip Vaughn and Stanley Arnoux

Came out of that vaunted wake forest Defense that was incredible, Chip Vaughn barely made it out of training camp and Arnoux lasted half a season on the active roster.
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
We can't hit on first round picks and we can't hit on late round picks anymore

Yay for the scouting department!
Anybody know how to get a job with the scouting department?
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Italics = NFL Starter or Quality Backup
Underscore = One that Got Away
Bold = BUST


2006
1 2 Reggie Bush RB USC
2 43 Roman Harper SS Alabama
4 108 Jahri Evans G Bloomsburg
5 135 Rob Ninkovich DE Purdue
6 171 Mike Hass WR Oregon State
6 174 Josh Lay CB Pittsburgh
7 210 Zach Strief T Northwestern
7 252 Marques Colston WR Hofstra
2007
1 27 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
3 66 Usama Young CB Kent State
3 88 Andy Alleman G Akron
4 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
4 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson
5 145 David Jones CB Wingate
7 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee
2008
1 7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC
2 40 Tracy Porter CB Indiana
5 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
5 164 Carl Nicks G Nebraska
6 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
7 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan
2009
1 14 Malcolm Jenkins DB Ohio State
4 116 Chip Vaughn SAF Wake Forest
4 118 Stanley Arnoux ILB Wake Forest
5 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
2010
1 32 Patrick Robinson CB Florida State
2 64 Charles Brown T USC
3 95 Jimmy Graham TE Miami (Fla.)
5 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
7 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2011
1 24 Cameron Jordan DE California
1 28 Mark Ingram RB Alabama
3 72 Martez Wilson LB Illinois
3 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville
7 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
7 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2012
3 89 Akiem Hicks DT Regina (Canada)
4 122 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
5 162 Corey White SS Samford
6 179 Andrew Tiller G Syracuse
7 234 Marcel Jones T Nebraska
2013
1 15 Kenny Vaccaro SS Texas
3 75 Terron Armstead OT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
3 82 John Jenkins NT Georgia
5 144 Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma
6 183 Rufus Johnson LB Tarleton State
2014
1 20 Brandin Cooks WR Oregon State
2 58 Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska
4 126 Khairi Fortt OLB California
5 167 Vinnie Sunseri DB Alabama
5 169 Ronald Powell LB Florida
6 202 Tavon Rooks T Kansas State

Since 2006
52 picks
29 Busts

Since SuperBowl Win
27 picks
18 busts

I daresay that one cannot have a successful franchise if you have scouted as poorly as we have in the last 5 years.
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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
We drafted most of the players from our Super Bowl team. Evans, Nicks, Brown, Bush, Thomas, Colston, Moore, Henderson, Smith, Porter, Harper, etc. It's not as bad as people try to make it. The draft is always a risk.
Well said rez. It seems like we have quite a bit of negative nancies on here lately. So what our team didn't make it this year, there are 24 other teams in the same position right now and when it comes down to it there can be only one champion. That doesn't mean all hope is lost, it just means this team wasn't ready. Prime example is the cowboys. Last year they sucked, and this year they look like Americas team again. Though it is my belief that the NFC championship will be packers vs panthers. Anybody else have a prediction?
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Originally Posted by xan View Post
Italics = NFL Starter or Quality Backup
Underscore = One that Got Away
Bold = BUST


2006
1 2 Reggie Bush RB USC
2 43 Roman Harper SS Alabama
4 108 Jahri Evans G Bloomsburg
5 135 Rob Ninkovich DE Purdue
6 171 Mike Hass WR Oregon State
6 174 Josh Lay CB Pittsburgh
7 210 Zach Strief T Northwestern
7 252 Marques Colston WR Hofstra
2007
1 27 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
3 66 Usama Young CB Kent State
3 88 Andy Alleman G Akron
4 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
4 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson
5 145 David Jones CB Wingate
7 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee
2008
1 7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC
2 40 Tracy Porter CB Indiana
5 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
5 164 Carl Nicks G Nebraska
6 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
7 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan
2009
1 14 Malcolm Jenkins DB Ohio State
4 116 Chip Vaughn SAF Wake Forest
4 118 Stanley Arnoux ILB Wake Forest
5 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
2010
1 32 Patrick Robinson CB Florida State
2 64 Charles Brown T USC
3 95 Jimmy Graham TE Miami (Fla.)
5 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
7 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2011
1 24 Cameron Jordan DE California
1 28 Mark Ingram RB Alabama
3 72 Martez Wilson LB Illinois
3 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville
7 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
7 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2012
3 89 Akiem Hicks DT Regina (Canada)
4 122 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
5 162 Corey White SS Samford
6 179 Andrew Tiller G Syracuse
7 234 Marcel Jones T Nebraska
2013
1 15 Kenny Vaccaro SS Texas
3 75 Terron Armstead OT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
3 82 John Jenkins NT Georgia
5 144 Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma
6 183 Rufus Johnson LB Tarleton State
2014
1 20 Brandin Cooks WR Oregon State
2 58 Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB Nebraska
4 126 Khairi Fortt OLB California
5 167 Vinnie Sunseri DB Alabama
5 169 Ronald Powell LB Florida
6 202 Tavon Rooks T Kansas State

Since 2006
52 picks
29 Busts

Since SuperBowl Win
27 picks
18 busts

I daresay that one cannot have a successful franchise if you have scouted as poorly as we have in the last 5 years.
Xan, can you do this same listing for the patriots?
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I'll let you decide on draft success


2014
1.29 DL Dominique Easley Florida
2.30 QB Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois
4.05 OL Bryan Stork Florida State (from Jaguars)
4.30 RB James White Wisconsin
4.40 OL Cameron Fleming Stanford compensatory pick
6.03 OL Jon Halapio Florida (from Jaguars)
6.22 DL Zach Moore (from Eagles)
6.30 DB Jemea Thomas Georgia Tech
7.29 WR Jeremy Gallon Michigan
2013
2.22 LB Jamie Collins Southern Mississippi from MIN
2.29 WR Aaron Dobson Marshall
3.21 DB Logan Ryan Rutgers from MIN
3.29 DB Duron Harmon Rutgers
4.05 WR Josh Boyce Texas Christian from DET through MIN
7.20 DL Michael Buchanan Illinois from CHI through TB
7.29 LB Steve Beauharnais Rutgers
2012
1.21 DL Chandler Jones Syracuse from CIN
1.25 LB Dont'a Hightower Alabama from DEN
2.16 DB Tavon Wilson Illinois from OAK
3.27 DL Jake Bequette Arkansas from GB
6.27 DB Nate Ebner Ohio State from GB
7.17 DB Alfonzo Dennard Nebraska from NYJ through GB
7.28 WR Jeremy Ebert Northwestern from GB
2011
1.17 OL Nate Solder Colorado from OAK (Richard Seymour)
2.01 DB Ras-I Dowling Virginia from CAR
2.24 RB Shane Vereen California from NO
3.09 RB Stevan Ridley from HOU
3.10 QB Ryan Mallett Arkansas from MIN
5.07 OL Marcus Cannon from HOU
5.28 TE Lee Smith Marshall
6.29 LB Markell Carter Central Arkansas from NYJ through PHI
7.16 DB Malcolm Williams Texas Christian from OAK
2010
1.27 DB Devin McCourty Rutgers from DAL
2.10 TE Rob Gronkowski Arizona from CHI through TB and OAK
2.21 LB Jermaine Cunningham Florida
2.30 LB Brandon Spikes Florida from MIN through HOU
3.26 WR Taylor Price Ohio from DAL
4.15 TE Aaron Hernandez Florida from SF through DEN
5.19 P Zoltan Mesko Michigan from HOU
6.36 OL Ted Larsen North Carolina State Compensatory Pick
7.01 OL Thomas Welch Vanderbilt from STL through WAS
7.40 DL Brandon Deaderick Alabama Compensatory Pick
7.41 DL Kade Weston Georgia Compensatory Pick
7.43 QB Zac Robinson Oklahoma State Compensatory Pick
2009
2.02 DB Patrick Chung Oregon from KC
2.08 DL Ron Brace Boston College from OAK
2.09 DB Darius Butler Connecticut from GB
2.26 OL Sebastian Vollmer Houston
3.19 WR Brandon Tate North Carolina from NYJ through GB
3.33 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida compensatory pick
4.23 OL Rich Ohrnberger Penn State from BAL
5.34 OL George Bussey Louisville compensatory pick
6.25 LS Jake Ingram Hawaii from BAL
6.34 DL Myron Pryor Kentucky compensatory pick
7.23 WR Julian Edelman Kent State from MIA through JAC
7.25 DL Darryl Richard Georgia Tech
2008
1.10 LB Jerod Mayo Tennessee from NO
2.31 DB Terrence Wheatley Colorado
3.15 LB Shawn Crable Michigan from NO
3.31 QB Kevin O'Connell San Diego State
4.30 DB Jonathan Wilhite Auburn
5.18 WR Matt Slater UCLA from TB
6.31 LB Bo Ruud Nebraska
2007
1.24 DB Brandon Meriweather from SEA
4.28 DL Kareem Brown Miami
5.34 OL Clint Oldenburg Colorado State compensatory pick
6.06 LB Justin Rogers Southern Methodist from ARI
6.28 DB Mike Richardson Notre Dame
6.34 RB Justise Hairston Central Connecticut compensatory pick
6.35 OL Corey Hilliard Oklahoma State compensatory pick
7.01 LB Oscar Lua Southern California from OAK
7.37 OL Mike Elgin Iowa compensatory pick
2006
1.21 RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota
2.04 WR Chad Jackson Florida from GB; trade 2006 2.20, 3.11
3.22 TE David Thomas Texas
4.09 TE Garrett Mills Tulsa from DET
4.21 K Stephen Gostkowski Memphis
5.03 OL Ryan O'Callaghan California from OAK
6.22 DL Jeremy Mincey Florida
6.36 OL Dan Stevenson Notre Dame compensatory pick
6.37 DL Le Kevin Smith Nebraska compensatory pick
7.21 DB Willie Andrews Baylor

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You realize 90% of those players came from 1 draft right?

One good draft in the last 10 years is as bad as it sounds.
Jimmy Graham, Cam Jordan, Mark Ingram, Akiem Hicks, Kenny Stills, Kenny Vacarro, Terron Armstead, and Brandin Cooks come to mind within the last 5 years. I'll even throw Malcolm Jenkins in there. John Jenkins has shown flashes. It really hasn't been that bad. Like I said, the draft is hit or miss. This isn't Madden. You can't scout the players overall rating.
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