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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by blackangold I agree with the premise, but it's important to remember the 2009 defense wasn't very good at a lot of things. The 09 defense ranked poorly in YPG and were easily passed on, there were 2 ...

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Old 01-08-2015, 01:09 PM   #11
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I agree with the premise, but it's important to remember the 2009 defense wasn't very good at a lot of things. The 09 defense ranked poorly in YPG and were easily passed on, there were 2 areas they excelled; turnovers and sacks.
People remember that team wrongly a lot. The 2009 defense was actually ranked top 10 most of the season. Didn't start falling until Greer, Porter, Gay and Fujita injuries. Even as late in the season as the Redskins game they were still in the low teens. And there was a whole lot of garbage time for our defense that year too, playing with a big lead quite often.
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People remember that team wrongly a lot. The 2009 defense was actually ranked top 10 most of the season. Didn't start falling until Greer, Porter, Gay and Fujita injuries. Even as late in the season as the Redskins game they were still in the low teens. And there was a whole lot of garbage time for our defense that year too, playing with a big lead quite often.
20th in points allowed.

25th in yards allowed.

You're right people do remember that team wrongly a lot...

Porter missed 4 games.
Greer missed 8 games.
Gay missed 6 games.

Injuries happen to every team, it's not an excuse.
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Injuries happen to every team, it's not an excuse.
The point was to illustrate the effectiveness of the Porter/Greer combo. When they were both healthy, the defense was easily a top-10 unit. That's the only point I was trying to make -

In the regards that having two very good but maybe not great corners is a solid foundation for a seconary. To say they "didn't do much well" is simply not true especially when they held maybe the greatest pure passing QB in NFL history to 17 points in a Super Bowl.
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In '09, we also had a good secondary coach. The main thing I remember about Porter besides the great SB play was his atrocious tackling.
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Good luck finding a shut down corner, just give me someone who does his job and doesn't get burned on a regular basis. A pass rush would help too
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The point was to illustrate the effectiveness of the Porter/Greer combo. When they were both healthy, the defense was easily a top-10 unit. That's the only point I was trying to make -

In the regards that having two very good but maybe not great corners is a solid foundation for a seconary. To say they "didn't do much well" is simply not true especially when they held maybe the greatest pure passing QB in NFL history to 17 points in a Super Bowl.
Not saying they weren't good, but as a counter point to what an earlier poster said they were not 'shut down' CBs even as a tandem.

Also, we all know Manning chokes in the playoffs. Well, at least the one named Payton does lol.
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In '09, we also had a good secondary coach. The main thing I remember about Porter besides the great SB play was his atrocious tackling.
You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel.
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You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel.
Agreed.

First game of his rookie season was against the bucs and he ended the game with 3 pass breakups, very nearly turned into interceptions.

I'd swap P-rob for Tracy Porter in a heart beat. Porters play started to tail off a little in 2010-2011 but he's never been as bad as P-rob is consistently every season.
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You're not giving him enough credit. He was a really good cover corner even as a rookie the year before. He was just too injury prone to keep it up long-term but even now he's still a pretty decent nickel.
Your probably right and I would like to give credit where credit is due,but when I think back on his career here, his piss-pour tackling stands out to me.
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While I realize that a top CB is a very big need for us, We just cannot pass on a top OLB talent in the first round. Our LB's have been garbage for years and we MUST fix that to have any hope of going deep into the playoffs. If it were me, I'd go OLB, ILB, CB, OL, OL, DE, TE, but hey, that's just me, but if you look at it, our tackling is pathetic and that's on the LB's and if we can't stop the run our D is gonna be on the field a long time if we stop the run we force the pass and they we can get after the QB and and get our secondary in gear to work as a unit and not a bunch of individuals.
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