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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; OK I will. If Minnesota had won like they were supposed to we\'d have made the playoffs. And from what I\'ve seen so far there was a good chance we\'d have advanced, maybe more than one round. Winning the last ...

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Old 01-17-2005, 10:32 PM   #21
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OK I will.
If Minnesota had won like they were supposed to we\'d have made the playoffs. And from what I\'ve seen so far there was a good chance we\'d have advanced, maybe more than one round.
Winning the last 4 games didn\'t save Venturi\'s job, stupidity by a clueless owner and a gutless front office are the reasons Venturi is back.

If finishing dead fricking last in defense isn\'t enough to get Venturi fired, do you think finishing 4-12 would have? I have no reason to believe it would.
If IFs were fifths we\'d all be drunk. Bottom line - Minnesota didn\'t win, the Saints didn\'t make the playoffs, and thus couldn\'t advance. Based on their history to expect fate to be on their side seems pretty unrealistic.

As for 4-12, yes, I think that forces Benson\'s hand. 8-8 with a 4-0 finish is respectable. Nobody else around the league seems to have the memory that some of us do. Most Saints fans seem to have particularly short memories. Thus, 4 straight losses to end 4-12 makes the Saints a laughing stock and forces Benson\'s hand, IMO. 8-8 with 4 straight wins give the Marketing department just what they need to build hype for next year, and an out to suggest to our nimrod fans that we actually got jipped.

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Old 01-17-2005, 10:36 PM   #22
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Thanks WhoDat...Got it off of BigBrooks.com. It was too big at first, but the Forum person in charge helped me out. Thanks. Kinda gives me hope seeing how happy Mr. Benson and Brooks can be.
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OK I will.
If Minnesota had won like they were supposed to we\'d have made the playoffs. And from what I\'ve seen so far there was a good chance we\'d have advanced, maybe more than one round.
Winning the last 4 games didn\'t save Venturi\'s job, stupidity by a clueless owner and a gutless front office are the reasons Venturi is back.

If finishing dead fricking last in defense isn\'t enough to get Venturi fired, do you think finishing 4-12 would have? I have no reason to believe it would.
If IFs were fifths we\'d all be drunk. Bottom line - Minnesota didn\'t win, the Saints didn\'t make the playoffs, and thus couldn\'t advance. Based on their history to expect fate to be on their side seems pretty unrealistic.

As for 4-12, yes, I think that forces Benson\'s hand. 8-8 with a 4-0 finish is respectable. Nobody else around the league seems to have the memory that some of us do. Most Saints fans seem to have particularly short memories. Thus, 4 straight losses to end 4-12 makes the Saints a laughing stock and forces Benson\'s hand, IMO. 8-8 with 4 straight wins give the Marketing department just what they need to build hype for next year, and an out to suggest to our nimrod fans that we actually got jipped.
So you wanna play the IF card on me, when you are the one assuming IF we finished 4-12 things would be better?
Yea, right...
IF Benson fires Haslett
IF Benson doesn\'t promote Venturi to HC
IF Benson doesn\'t promote McCarthy to HC
IF Benson hires a quality GM
IF Benson hires a new proven HC
IF Benson doesn\'t sell the team to LA
IF Benson hires a good talent scout
IF the new guys decide to get serious in free agency
IF the new guys don\'t draft worse than currently do.
IF we don\'t go through 3 years of 4-12 while we rebuild.

Yea, and IF a frog had wings he wouldn\'t bump his asss everytime he tried to fly.

I\'ll take my Saints wins whenever I can get them. The last 4 games were a lot more enjoyable than the 1st 12. And I know you too were pulling for them, not against them. Don\'t make me find that statement.
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Old 01-18-2005, 07:35 AM   #24
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You\'re right, it doesn\'t mean better, but it does mean change. I\'ll take the risk of being worse for the chance to no longer be mired in 8-8 underacheiving mediocrity. Nothing great is ever acheived without risk. I was asking for change, not necessarily an overnight solution. I do think this - if the Saints had tanked, Benson would have been real hard pressed to keep any of the coaches, let alone promote them. Just my opinion....
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Nothing great is ever acheived without risk.
And entering 2005 with Venturi is about as risky as it gets.
I did read recently he may be re-assigned and a new DC may come in. He may already be on the staff. There was a rumor that Pease or Haslet took over the defense late in the season.

Right now, I\'ll take anybody but Venturi. I still find it disturbing that most of the talk by fans and media is about changes to the offensive staff.

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Old 01-18-2005, 09:25 AM   #26
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If your left arm is broken, don\'t put the cast on your right.
Then why the hell did the great genius Haslett allow the offense to be totally changed in the offseason? Sending Deuce and LeCharles and Joe to the pro bowl wasn\'t enough? And why didn\'t he listen when Deuce repeatedly said the offense was crap? Seems like this staff has a history of doing thing bass ackwards. So of course I am with Who, 4-12 would have cleaned the cupboards most likely. So you think after calling them a high school team losing 4 MORE GAMES would have allowed Haslett to keep his job? Not bloody likely.
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If your left arm is broken, don\'t put the cast on your right.
Then why the hell did the great genius Haslett allow the offense to be totally changed in the offseason? Sending Deuce and LeCharles and Joe to the pro bowl wasn\'t enough? And why didn\'t he listen when Deuce repeatedly said the offense was crap? Seems like this staff has a history of doing thing bass ackwards. So of course I am with Who, 4-12 would have cleaned the cupboards most likely. So you think after calling them a high school team losing 4 MORE GAMES would have allowed Haslett to keep his job? Not bloody likely.
How does that relate to my comment about addressing the offense when we should be addressing defense?

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It relates because you said fans and the media are talking about changing offensive coaches. Well, nothing was wrong with the offense last year(besides fumbles) and they changed it. Seems like the MO of the team to totally dance around priorities and \"sure up\" things that don\'t need fixing. That\'s how it relates.

Show me a guy that hopes for meaningless wins that keeps the status quo, and i\'ll show you a guy satisfied with mediocrity. I guess it was a bad idea for the Bengals to get so bad ownership was forced to make a move to change the atmosphere of the team. I guess all those high first round draft picks have doomed the Chargers. Look at the Niners and Titans, struggled to keep mediocre to good teams on the field, now both in cap hell. Yeah, let\'s go for that.

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It relates because you said fans and the media are talking about changing offensive coaches. Well, nothing was wrong with the offense last year (besides fumbles) and they changed it. Seems like the MO of the team to totally dance around priorities and \"sure up\" things that don\'t need fixing. That\'s how it relates.
So how does that contradict my statement that if your left arm is broken, don\'t put the cast on the right? Sounds to me like you\'re agreeing with me. Am I missing something?
Show me a guy that hopes for meaningless wins that keeps the status quo, and i\'ll show you a guy satisfied with mediocrity.
I personally don\'t think winning is meaningless, or equates to mediocrity. Winning good, losing Bad!. I don\'t understand why people can\'t see this.
I guess it was a bad idea for the Bengals to get so bad ownership was forced to make a move to change the atmosphere of the team.
Yeah, and time after time after time, they still sucked. Yep, lets ignore the fact that changes and high draft picks don\'t always lead to being better. I want to see my team win, not lose. I don\'t give a flipping crap about picking 6th or 16th. Picking late never hurt the Pats, or Eagles.
I guess all those high first round draft picks have doomed the Chargers.
Yea, one good year out of what, the last 10? Yea, looks like a smashing success to me. I guess if you want 9 bad years to be able to get that one good year, and 1 and out in the playoffs then thats a good xample. I guess the Charger fans will want to finish 3-13 next year so they can get that extra edge to win again?
Look at the Niners and Titans, struggled to keep mediocre to good teams on the field, now both in cap hell. Yeah, let\'s go for that.
And you think just cause we finish 4-12 that suddenly we\'re gonna start drafting right? That Benson will actually pick a good coach and a good GM? Hell he fired a halfway decent one and replaced him with a worse one. Yea, lets finish 4-12, and still pick the Jonathan Sullivans and the Stinchcombs and Hendersons and Hasletts and Venturis. Yeah, that sounds like a winner.

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Old 01-18-2005, 11:13 AM   #30
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I think we needed a change last year at OC. We need some better play calling and someone who is willing to keep the foot on the throat of the opponet not run run run and punt... to keep them in the game.
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