Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks

03-11-2015, 03:37 AM

I like the move. At first just as shocked as everyone. But we need help, he was the only player on our team to track first round pick. We do need a lot of help, this is a smart move.

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 03:37 AM

That is all find for 2017 but the sale on the team producing need to be for this year. They want cap relief they must make better trades and draft better than they have been doing. Trading JG for a 31 pick in draft is dumb. They should've traded him last year after he had that stellar year or traded him this year for a 1st and conditional 5th to 7th rd pick

hagan714 · 03-11-2015, 03:38 AM

i really do not think people truly understand how good Unger really is. then that contract of his is really sweet. look for an extension in 2016

OL never get any respect

cap wise it cost us 2 mill because we had to eat jimmy's dead cap money. now 2016 the impact will be felt cap wise. 2016 cap issues just got better.

i do not think they are done yet either. draft day trade involving players is very possible.

washington trade up? jump ahead of the jets could cost us another pick or a player/ washington has a new coaching staff in place and one thing they like is a big OL.

next cap move OG plus picks to washington in a trade up?

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Getting Jimmy Graham is not a giving away a 1st rd pick. If Jimmy Graham was in this year draft and teams know what they know now about him he would be a top 15th pick at the least

No offence but it seems pointing out anything to you on why the team may be doing these moves. It appears you have decided that its the wrong move and there is no room for debate.

Do you really think the front office didnt think long and hard if this was a good move.

Jimmy Graham was and is a very good player but he will be 29 during the season and has taken a beating over the past 5 seasons. He hasn't missed many games but lets face it a fair few times out there he was a decoy and not much else. His foot injury impaired him big time a couple of years back and teams with big bodied CB have kept him quiet

Look at last season stats,any game that he had over 10 targets we losts
Look at 2013 when the Seahawks and Pats put physical corners on him he in three games 21 targets/4 recpetions for 50 yards.

Look i loved having Jimmy here and he is a great player but he Payton and Brees with a good O-Line one the superbowl with Shockey,Colston,Meachem Moore and Henderson as receivers. We needed a center and we got a good one. Is there question marks on his health? Yes, Is the same true of Graham? Yes.

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

That is all find for 2017 but the sale on the team producing need to be for this year. They want cap relief they must make better trades and draft better than they have been doing. Trading JG for a 31 pick in draft is dumb. They should've traded him last year after he had that stellar year or traded him this year for a 1st and conditional 5th to 7th rd pick

Guy, we got a top of the line Center AND that first round pick. You keep ignoring that, or trying to devalue that.

Other teams want to win, too. They know Jimmy can help, but not at the expense of throwing the farm at somebody to get him. I've seen teams get a lot less for their star players in the past.

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

That is all find for 2017 but the sale on the team producing need to be for this year. They want cap relief they must make better trades and draft better than they have been doing. Trading JG for a 31 pick in draft is dumb. They should've traded him last year after he had that stellar year or traded him this year for a 1st and conditional 5th to 7th rd pick

How could they trade him last year?
He wasn't under contract and had they traded him they would have had to pay him all his money. Had Graham got wind of a trade last year he would have refused to sign the tag. Teams were not willing to pay 2 1st round picks for him. Even Seahawks didnt offer last years 32nd pick and they new they were picking in the late 20s his year didnt offer the money.

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Guy, we got a top of the line Center AND that first round pick. You keep ignoring that, or trying to devalue that.

Other teams want to win, too. They know Jimmy can help, but not at the expense of throwing the farm at somebody to get him. I've seen teams get a lot less for their star players in the past.

I look at it as we gave a 4th rd pick for him when the priority should've been guard

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 03:50 AM

These rookie 1st round contracts are so sweet for teams now few want to part with them. A 1st rounder cost around $7ml for 4 years with the option of a 5th year tacked on by the teams. So $15ml roughly for 5 years.

Now its down to the scouts and brains in the office to go get the right player. If say we signed a Muhammad Wilkerson type of DT for that money and had him for 5 years and had Unger for them same years with a extension id say the team is stronger overall. That would cost a similar cap to what Graham costs on his own

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

How could they trade him last year?
He wasn't under contract and had they traded him they would have had to pay him all his money. Had Graham got wind of a trade last year he would have refused to sign the tag. Teams were not willing to pay 2 1st round picks for him. Even Seahawks didnt offer last years 32nd pick and they new they were picking in the late 20s his year didnt offer the money.

When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I look at it as we gave a 4th rd pick for him when the priority should've been guard

We HAVE guards. And now we have a center as well. A 4th round pick is a 4th round pick. We have two first rounders. I can't imagine what else you need here to be satisfied. I get it, Jimmy was popular here. I wish he could have stayed in a way as well. But let's take our fan glasses off and try to think about what's smart.

03-11-2015, 03:37 AM	#261
Threaded by Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760 Rating: (0 votes - average) I like the move. At first just as shocked as everyone. But we need help, he was the only player on our team to track first round pick. We do need a lot of help, this is a smart move. spkb25 likes this.
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03-11-2015, 03:37 AM	#262
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,626	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks That is all find for 2017 but the sale on the team producing need to be for this year. They want cap relief they must make better trades and draft better than they have been doing. Trading JG for a 31 pick in draft is dumb. They should've traded him last year after he had that stellar year or traded him this year for a 1st and conditional 5th to 7th rd pick

03-11-2015, 03:38 AM	#263
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks i really do not think people truly understand how good Unger really is. then that contract of his is really sweet. look for an extension in 2016 OL never get any respect cap wise it cost us 2 mill because we had to eat jimmy's dead cap money. now 2016 the impact will be felt cap wise. 2016 cap issues just got better. i do not think they are done yet either. draft day trade involving players is very possible. washington trade up? jump ahead of the jets could cost us another pick or a player/ washington has a new coaching staff in place and one thing they like is a big OL. next cap move OG plus picks to washington in a trade up? spkb25 and Crusader like this.
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03-11-2015, 03:42 AM	#264
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,716 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi Getting Jimmy Graham is not a giving away a 1st rd pick. If Jimmy Graham was in this year draft and teams know what they know now about him he would be a top 15th pick at the least No offence but it seems pointing out anything to you on why the team may be doing these moves. It appears you have decided that its the wrong move and there is no room for debate. Do you really think the front office didnt think long and hard if this was a good move. Jimmy Graham was and is a very good player but he will be 29 during the season and has taken a beating over the past 5 seasons. He hasn't missed many games but lets face it a fair few times out there he was a decoy and not much else. His foot injury impaired him big time a couple of years back and teams with big bodied CB have kept him quiet Look at last season stats,any game that he had over 10 targets we losts Look at 2013 when the Seahawks and Pats put physical corners on him he in three games 21 targets/4 recpetions for 50 yards. Look i loved having Jimmy here and he is a great player but he Payton and Brees with a good O-Line one the superbowl with Shockey,Colston,Meachem Moore and Henderson as receivers. We needed a center and we got a good one. Is there question marks on his health? Yes, Is the same true of Graham? Yes. spkb25 and CharityMike like this.
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

03-11-2015, 03:43 AM	#265
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi That is all find for 2017 but the sale on the team producing need to be for this year. They want cap relief they must make better trades and draft better than they have been doing. Trading JG for a 31 pick in draft is dumb. They should've traded him last year after he had that stellar year or traded him this year for a 1st and conditional 5th to 7th rd pick Guy, we got a top of the line Center AND that first round pick. You keep ignoring that, or trying to devalue that. Other teams want to win, too. They know Jimmy can help, but not at the expense of throwing the farm at somebody to get him. I've seen teams get a lot less for their star players in the past. spkb25 likes this.

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03-11-2015, 03:44 AM	#266
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,716 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi That is all find for 2017 but the sale on the team producing need to be for this year. They want cap relief they must make better trades and draft better than they have been doing. Trading JG for a 31 pick in draft is dumb. They should've traded him last year after he had that stellar year or traded him this year for a 1st and conditional 5th to 7th rd pick How could they trade him last year? He wasn't under contract and had they traded him they would have had to pay him all his money. Had Graham got wind of a trade last year he would have refused to sign the tag. Teams were not willing to pay 2 1st round picks for him. Even Seahawks didnt offer last years 32nd pick and they new they were picking in the late 20s his year didnt offer the money. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

03-11-2015, 03:48 AM	#267
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,626	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by burningmetal Guy, we got a top of the line Center AND that first round pick. You keep ignoring that, or trying to devalue that. Other teams want to win, too. They know Jimmy can help, but not at the expense of throwing the farm at somebody to get him. I've seen teams get a lot less for their star players in the past. I look at it as we gave a 4th rd pick for him when the priority should've been guard

03-11-2015, 03:50 AM	#268
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,716 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks These rookie 1st round contracts are so sweet for teams now few want to part with them. A 1st rounder cost around $7ml for 4 years with the option of a 5th year tacked on by the teams. So $15ml roughly for 5 years. Now its down to the scouts and brains in the office to go get the right player. If say we signed a Muhammad Wilkerson type of DT for that money and had him for 5 years and had Unger for them same years with a extension id say the team is stronger overall. That would cost a similar cap to what Graham costs on his own
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

03-11-2015, 03:51 AM	#269
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,626	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by lee909 How could they trade him last year? He wasn't under contract and had they traded him they would have had to pay him all his money. Had Graham got wind of a trade last year he would have refused to sign the tag. Teams were not willing to pay 2 1st round picks for him. Even Seahawks didnt offer last years 32nd pick and they new they were picking in the late 20s his year didnt offer the money. When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything

03-11-2015, 03:52 AM	#270
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi I look at it as we gave a 4th rd pick for him when the priority should've been guard We HAVE guards. And now we have a center as well. A 4th round pick is a 4th round pick. We have two first rounders. I can't imagine what else you need here to be satisfied. I get it, Jimmy was popular here. I wish he could have stayed in a way as well. But let's take our fan glasses off and try to think about what's smart.

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