A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense

stickman · 03-11-2015, 01:38 PM

The article also pointed out something that had me curious. The Seahawks just traded for a guy that they COMPLETELY took out of a playoff game, and that one of their own players called out for being soft. Odd.

ikecomp · 03-11-2015, 01:48 PM

Great article. good analysis and insight into why a lot of saints fans are not outraged by the trade. Graham has been a monster for us but his shortcomings have become more glaring over the years.

Injury issues, drive killing drops, lack of physicality when the ball is not already in his hands, lack of consistency towards the end of the season, etc.

I wish Graham all the best but I'm all for this deal. Plus graham will realize in Seattle it's a lot different having wilson throw you the ball than brees. He will make an impact but not the huge impact everyone is expecting.

halloween 65 · 03-11-2015, 02:03 PM

I finally got my wish. Now I would like a TE like Shockey, one with a heart and passion for the great game of football.

Crusader · 03-11-2015, 02:38 PM

Good read!

billyt81 · 03-11-2015, 03:12 PM

He mentions Minnesota TE Maxx Williams, who I mentioned here too. He speculates the Saints could take him at 31, but with a 4.78 40 at the combine we could get him in the 3rd or even 4th round, I think. I do lo like the guy though. He reminds me of Jason Witten. He is a tough blocker and good route runner with soft hands.

VegasSaint9 · 03-11-2015, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

This is what I have been saying all along.

OL and DL is where the game is meant to be played. If you can't protect the QB it doesn't matter who you have at quarterback. The OL needs upgrading and it needs to start at Center. When you build an OL the best place to start is Center and work your way out.

THey may not say it but essentially we have entered rebuilding stage.

You mean reloading stage. We aren't rebuilding until #9 is no longer the QB in Nola. Payton's good at retooling the makeup of a team. He did it in 2006, 2009, and 2013.

VegasSaint9 · 03-11-2015, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

Great article. good analysis and insight into why a lot of saints fans are not outraged by the trade. Graham has been a monster for us but his shortcomings have become more glaring over the years.

Injury issues, drive killing drops, lack of physicality when the ball is not already in his hands, lack of consistency towards the end of the season, etc.

I wish Graham all the best but I'm all for this deal. Plus graham will realize in Seattle it's a lot different having wilson throw you the ball than brees. He will make an impact but not the huge impact everyone is expecting.

Wilson's no slouch and has mastered improvisation. He emulates Brees in a lot of instances. His accuracy has been way better since 2013. And hes only what, 25 years old or something?

ikecomp · 03-11-2015, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

Wilson's no slouch and has mastered improvisation. He emulates Brees in a lot of instances. His accuracy has been way better since 2013. And hes only what, 25 years old or something?

I didn't say he was terrible but it's different going from a guy that could throw you open and put some additional touch on the ball and a guy that's throwing in more unconventional ways. Just to illustrate, drew was second in the league in completion percentage last year even though he didn't have a great year. Wilson was 20th. To further add to that brees had more completions than wilson had attempts. I think wilson is a franchise guy but if we're talking about purely passing, it's not even close.

AllSaints · 03-11-2015, 03:49 PM

I like the trade but I don't want us to waste the draft pick..... We have 2 first rounders we can get some key players here I hope we don't mess it up

foreverfan · 03-11-2015, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I have said it.

Other's who post here and who are tons smarter than I am have said it.

The Dallas Cowboys of the 90's proved it out.

That line is the single most important aspect of football (assuming the QB isn't an idiot). And we certainly aren't devoid of talent without Jimmy. We have weapons. Plenty of them. What we don't have anymore is domination up front. We have a QB who will kill opponents with just a little time and the ability to step up in the pocket.

Ingram WILL rush for 1200+ easy next year. Hill will have people saying "Jimmy who?" after 4 or 5 games. Drew will be as solid as ever, his deep ball will make a miraculous return, and we WILL be contenders. All of this IF we fix the o-line, and the JG trade goes a long way to that end because we just put a friggin beast at Center. I'm betting Evans rebounds a bit. Not sure about Grubs. We shall see.

This was a WISE move by the front office. WISE I tell you all.

Now, lets not blow that extra 1st rounder please.

Thank you.

We all are certainly hoping the truck so.

03-11-2015, 01:38 PM	#11
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,596	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense The article also pointed out something that had me curious. The Seahawks just traded for a guy that they COMPLETELY took out of a playoff game, and that one of their own players called out for being soft. Odd. hagan714 likes this.

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense Great article. good analysis and insight into why a lot of saints fans are not outraged by the trade. Graham has been a monster for us but his shortcomings have become more glaring over the years. Injury issues, drive killing drops, lack of physicality when the ball is not already in his hands, lack of consistency towards the end of the season, etc. I wish Graham all the best but I'm all for this deal. Plus graham will realize in Seattle it's a lot different having wilson throw you the ball than brees. He will make an impact but not the huge impact everyone is expecting. hagan714, arsaint and VegasSaint9 like this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense I finally got my wish. Now I would like a TE like Shockey, one with a heart and passion for the great game of football. hagan714 likes this.

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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense Good read!

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billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense He mentions Minnesota TE Maxx Williams, who I mentioned here too. He speculates the Saints could take him at 31, but with a 4.78 40 at the combine we could get him in the 3rd or even 4th round, I think. I do lo like the guy though. He reminds me of Jason Witten. He is a tough blocker and good route runner with soft hands.

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VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense Originally Posted by Euphoria This is what I have been saying all along. OL and DL is where the game is meant to be played. If you can't protect the QB it doesn't matter who you have at quarterback. The OL needs upgrading and it needs to start at Center. When you build an OL the best place to start is Center and work your way out. THey may not say it but essentially we have entered rebuilding stage. You mean reloading stage. We aren't rebuilding until #9 is no longer the QB in Nola. Payton's good at retooling the makeup of a team. He did it in 2006, 2009, and 2013.

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VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense Originally Posted by ikecomp Great article. good analysis and insight into why a lot of saints fans are not outraged by the trade. Graham has been a monster for us but his shortcomings have become more glaring over the years. Injury issues, drive killing drops, lack of physicality when the ball is not already in his hands, lack of consistency towards the end of the season, etc. I wish Graham all the best but I'm all for this deal. Plus graham will realize in Seattle it's a lot different having wilson throw you the ball than brees. He will make an impact but not the huge impact everyone is expecting. Wilson's no slouch and has mastered improvisation. He emulates Brees in a lot of instances. His accuracy has been way better since 2013. And hes only what, 25 years old or something?

03-11-2015, 03:49 PM	#18
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 Wilson's no slouch and has mastered improvisation. He emulates Brees in a lot of instances. His accuracy has been way better since 2013. And hes only what, 25 years old or something? I didn't say he was terrible but it's different going from a guy that could throw you open and put some additional touch on the ball and a guy that's throwing in more unconventional ways. Just to illustrate, drew was second in the league in completion percentage last year even though he didn't have a great year. Wilson was 20th. To further add to that brees had more completions than wilson had attempts. I think wilson is a franchise guy but if we're talking about purely passing, it's not even close.
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03-11-2015, 03:49 PM	#19
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense I like the trade but I don't want us to waste the draft pick..... We have 2 first rounders we can get some key players here I hope we don't mess it up

03-11-2015, 04:32 PM	#20
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: A Breakdown of Why the JG Trade Makes Sense Originally Posted by saintfan I have said it. Other's who post here and who are tons smarter than I am have said it. The Dallas Cowboys of the 90's proved it out. That line is the single most important aspect of football (assuming the QB isn't an idiot). And we certainly aren't devoid of talent without Jimmy. We have weapons. Plenty of them. What we don't have anymore is domination up front. We have a QB who will kill opponents with just a little time *and the ability to step up in the pocket*. Ingram WILL rush for 1200+ easy next year. Hill will have people saying "Jimmy who?" after 4 or 5 games. Drew will be as solid as ever, his deep ball will make a miraculous return, and we WILL be contenders. All of this IF we fix the o-line, and the JG trade goes a long way to that end because we just put a friggin beast at Center. I'm betting Evans rebounds a bit. Not sure about Grubs. We shall see. This was a WISE move by the front office. WISE I tell you all. Now, lets not blow that extra 1st rounder please. Thank you. We all are certainly hoping the truck so.

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