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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I don\'t think so, cause this new offense doomed our team from jump. Taking the FB out of the equation for Deuce effectively ended his impact. WE ALL SAW how much better he ran with Karney in, yet they did ...

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Old 01-29-2005, 10:47 AM   #31
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I don\'t think so, cause this new offense doomed our team from jump. Taking the FB out of the equation for Deuce effectively ended his impact. WE ALL SAW how much better he ran with Karney in, yet they did it very little. Prime example, Seattle game week one. The team cause 3 turnovers in the first half, Deuce was still there, and we STILL could not score. Yet in the 4th quarter we were only down 14-7(yeah terrible defense) until our \"great\" qb threw an INT giving Seattle the ball IN THEIR OWN RED ZONE. So I guess we could blame the D for not covering AB\'s mistake and stopping the Seahawks from going 14 yards in the 4th quarter of a game where the offense did nothing, but I won\'t. So last year it woulda been a huge difference, not so much this year.
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Old 01-29-2005, 11:42 AM   #32
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Whodi, Deuce missed 3 games and was injured thereafter. Mightn\'t we have won more if not for that?
That sure didn\'t help. Like Whodi said, it could be debated how much it hurt, too. We simply didn\'t utilize Deuce as well as we should have, and happy trails to McCarthy ... hope Barlow\'s ready for another down year.

But in fairness, the initial \"new offense\" was a disaster, probably the reason Deuce got hurt in the first place. Deuce returned earlier than he probably should\'ve, and looked slow and out of shape when he did get the ball. Yeah, he was still hurt, but he was about 10 lbs overweight, too.

BTW, couldn\'t the 49er\'s use a QB? One who already has a working relationship with the OC? (fingers crossed)

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Old 01-29-2005, 12:09 PM   #33
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BTW, couldn\'t the 49er\'s use a QB? One who already has a working relationship with the OC? (fingers crossed)
I really want to believe that Nolan is smarter than that. But he is coming from Baltimore, which has no sense at all about QBs and he did hire McCarthy.

I do think that Leon has more trade value than most of his supporters do (ironically). I\'m pretty sure that to get #1 overall, we\'ll need to offer our #16. After that, I don\'t know what else we\'d get. Would they give up their 2nd rounder? Would they give us a good conditional pick for next year?

Maybe if we offered Leon and Pathon, we\'d get better value?

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Old 01-29-2005, 02:02 PM   #34
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If we WERE to get their number one for Leon, PAthon may draw a 3rd if included, who would we draft? Aaron Rodgers would be my first choice. QB for the next 12 years, hopefully. But I don\'t think the 49ers can afford both of them. Leon straight up for their first and a shot at Rodgers would be fantastic though.
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Plain an simple, will Leon get traded? Never. Why would another team trade their franchise quarterback for Aaron Brooks? I think Rattay is fine running that offense over there when healthy. Look at his numbers when he started and healthy. Pretty good if you ask me. He made Eric Johnson look great. Although I\'m not a Leon fan, we just need Deuce to rush for 1500 yards and we\'ll be fine. Bentley should be use to playing center and with Kendal and Holland, we should have one the the nastiest center guard combos in the league. Just leave Karney in to block also and our rushing game will be back to where it should be. Which equals more games won and Leon playing better himself.

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Old 01-29-2005, 03:12 PM   #36
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What we\'re trying to do is avoid paying a qb 6 mil a year just to manage the game basically, which is what AB supporters seem to want. Fix D, fix the line, fix this fix that so we take away more of AB\'s responsibility. Well, if he can\'t handle the responsibility his salary disctates, trade him or cut his salary. How muchdo you think he would have to say if they proposed he take a pay cut based on his performance? Selfish as he is, he would hold on until he was traded. We\'ll just get to it before him.
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Whodi, in response to your questions, I\'m still not convinced that Cullpepper and Bulger are better than Brooks. I think all 3 are of the same calibur...

I don\'t know which Vikes QB you\'ve been watching for the past 4-5 years, but the one I\'ve seen can be just as inconsistent as AB, if not worse. But if he has looked better to you, it\'s probably cause\' he\'s been playing in a system which matches his natural abilities and he hasn\'t been forced to be something he\'s not (can\'t say the same things for AB). And it doesn\'t hurt to have one of the league\'s tallest and fastest receivers on the squad...

As far as Bulger goes, I think you\'d agree that his receiving corp. is better and much more consistent than what AB has to work with. Also, you can use the argument that the Rams are consistent playoff contenders with Bulger behind center, but I can also shoot back and say that they\'ve yet to return to the Super Bowl with Bulger behind center as well. So technically, the success of that franchise has digressed since Bulger took over...

And no, I\'m not so sure that either team would\'ve done better than us record-wise, if their star players hadn\'t been hurt for certain periods of time. You must realize that the quality of coaching that both teams receive are very suspect...

And yes, the Rams probably would\'ve beaten us if Williams had made that pick. But I think the big picture is if they couldn\'t display a dominant performance against a team such as the one we support, then any aspect of that team shouldn\'t be considered any better than ours, especially at the QB position.
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Old 01-29-2005, 07:25 PM   #38
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Joe, Nice to meet you dude. But if you don\'t think a qb who would have won MVP if not for Peyton Manning with his best weapon hurt half the year is better than AB, you are in too deep for me man. Enjoy the upcoming season dude.
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Joe, Nice to meet you dude. But if you don\'t think a qb who would have won MVP if not for Peyton Manning with his best weapon hurt half the year is better than AB, you are in too deep for me man. Enjoy the upcoming season dude.
I believe Culpepper is better than Brooks. Its debated how much, though.

Still, I believe if Culpepper were our QB, we\'d be an 8-8 team.

What was the Vikings record? OUCH!!
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Joe, Nice to meet you dude. But if you don\'t think a qb who would have won MVP if not for Peyton Manning with his best weapon hurt half the year is better than AB, you are in too deep for me man. Enjoy the upcoming season dude.
I believe Culpepper is better than Brooks. Its debateable how much, though.

Still, I believe if Culpepper were our QB, we\'d be an 8-8 team.

What was the Vikings record? OUCH!!
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