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lee909 05-05-2015 10:10 AM

Re: Grade the OVERALL 2015 Saints draft?
 
I dont get how anyone can look at a line of

Armstead - LG -Unger - Evans- Strief/Peat

And make it sound like the Bears or Jags

Rugby Saint II 05-05-2015 06:15 PM

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We still need two guards if not now then when will you stabilize the guard position?

LG-- Gone
RG-- bad back and wrist.(on the wrong side of 30)

That leaves us with last years back up center and Kelemente to protect Drew. I'm not excited. :argue:

papz 05-05-2015 06:44 PM

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New Orleans Saints

Based on my evaluations, I think the Saints had a very good draft. With just about every pick, they chose a prospect I was high on.

The first pick was offensive tackle Andrus Peat, who I thought was the best left tackle prospect in the draft right now. With proper development Florida's D.J. Humphries could be the best left tackle in this class, but today the best prospect is Peat.

I really like their second first-round pick, Clemson linebacker Stephone Anthony. I think he could be a terrific NFL player. He's very athletic. In college he played fast and was decisive in his movements. He trusted what he saw and turned it loose. He showed the ability to blitz and cover as well. He could be a really good linebacker.

In the second round they got Washington pass rusher Hau'oli Kikaha, who I really like. The third-round pick of quarterback Garrett Grayson (my No. 3 quarterback in the class) made sense. From the minute I started watching Grayson I thought he was a Sean Payton player. That's a great fit for him.

I liked Florida State cornerback P.J. Williams, a good pick as a press-cover corner who struggles with inconsistency, but that's why he was a third-rounder. I also really liked outside lineabacker Davis Tull of Tennessee-Chattanooga on film. I also liked Georgia cornerback Damian Swann, their other fifth-round pick.

I don't know what the Saints' draft board looked like or if their draft went according to plan. All I know is they ended up with a lot of players who I really liked in my pre-draft film study.



Greg Cosell NFL.com

K Major 05-05-2015 07:53 PM

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Greg Cosell was high on a lot of our draft picks. He truly studies film.
Good to read his positive analysis on our 9 selections.

iceshack149 05-05-2015 08:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy (Post 654376)
Well this draft may technically be over - but it isn't really over yet. UDFA is still happening, and Collins is still out there in the wings. Sign him, and I'll give a higher grade.

Some of the UDFA signings so far have been fantastic! Richardson in particular. But also Eulls. Barnes. Harris. Those are some great names.

Wish we could've landed Alani Fua, Taiwan Jones, and Wes Saxton.

But I can't get over the fact Collins is still out there.....

I don't know what's going on with your avatar but at least I can look at it without retching. The one you used to have was straight out of the pit of hades.

I hope you're right about the UDFA's. The Saints could use some quality players to get back on top.

SmashMouth 05-05-2015 08:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 654478)
We still need two guards if not now then when will you stabilize the guard position?

LG-- Gone
RG-- bad back and wrist.(on the wrong side of 30)

That leaves us with last years back up center and Kelemente to protect Drew. I'm not excited. :argue:

True Dat. They must like Kelemente or something....

jeanpierre 05-05-2015 08:57 PM

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Why is there no love, confidence in Lelito?!?

He has played extremely well when given the opportunity.

The only reason why Goodwin was staring at Center last season was because of salary, seniority and certain particular politics where Grubbs and Evans casually lobbied for Goodwin...

Those of you who like PFF could certainly find statistical evidence that Lelito has done well at Center and at his more natural position of Guard...

And if he were that bad, wouldn't we have made a play for a guard in the fourth round rather than a second cornerback later?!?

LordOfEntropy 05-06-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 654502)
I don't know what's going on with your avatar but at least I can look at it without retching. The one you used to have was straight out of the pit of hades.

I hope you're right about the UDFA's. The Saints could use some quality players to get back on top.

I loved that avatar. It was a cross between violent nausea and somehow hauntingly attractive. :cool:

Can't remember how I lost it. Was it Katrina? Can't remember. Think so. The water got into the backups in the attic. Such a shame.

papz 05-06-2015 10:46 AM

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http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001...17_xlarge.jpeg

Wasn't it something like this?

LordOfEntropy 05-06-2015 02:48 PM

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You are awesome sir!

jeanpierre 05-06-2015 02:49 PM

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Disturbing...

jeanpierre 05-06-2015 10:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 654432)
I dont get how so many people that makes comments dont seems to know anything about the "strategy" of football. armstead is okay but he's older, evans-old, unger i dont know much about...

You do realize what you did at the beginning and end there?

Max Unger is 29 years old and is an All-Pro and will be a great improvement in our run game...

Armstead...older? He's still in his rookie (3rd round) contract; and if he moves to right tackle, he'll be the best right tackle in the league...

Evans is old, but he has been injured; and he's a multiple All-Pro so don't put him down with Old Yeller just yet...


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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 654432)
...on the wr side of the ball, we have a 2nd year rookie, cooks, and a aging receiver, colston, everyone else is, in my opinion people you never heard of or anyone would consider a stand out player or baller...

There is only one football; we had to get some talent to the other side of the ball...

Most teams don't even have two receivers like we have at the top of our depth chart...

The young guys now have a year in the system and just need the reps for a true evaluation...


Quote:

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 654432)
...te um watson everyone else is just like our receiving corp...

Josh Hill will be a league leader in receiving, for sure among tight ends; Ben Watson is a tremendous leader for out team; and let's see what the UDRFA dwarves dragged in from the mine before we condemn, okay?!?


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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 654432)
...running back we kept ingram but you know he's injury prone and you dont know what you're gonna get out of cj spiller...

Know This: Our Running Backs are Mark Ingram, C.J. Spiller, Khiry Robinson, Marcus Murphy (R7, #230), Tim Hightower and Fullbacks Austin Johnson and Erik Lorig - We have the Best Running Back Corps in the NFL right now!

Quote:

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 654432)
...i'm telling you i maybe wrong (heck i hope im wrong), but its a lot of ?'s on the offensive side of the ball that no one really wants to admit too...

Well, nobody had question marks about the Saints - and we were all wrong!

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 654432)
, and with our first game of the season we're on the road in arizona where they're known for shutting down teams passing attack, we're gonna find out real quick what we're made of.

If we learned anything from last year and the schedule - Respect and Be Prepared for Every Opponent!

lee909 05-07-2015 01:56 AM

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Terron Armstead is 23

jeanpierre 05-09-2015 06:13 AM

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New Orleans Saints rookie minicamp: List of prospects who plan to attend | NOLA.com

Here is the unofficial list of invites so far. We'll update it occasionally in the coming days as names are added or deleted.

1. Sam Wren, DE, Oklahoma State: also attending Bears mini-camp

2. Justin Anderson, LB, UL-Lafayette: was UDFA with Giants in 2014

3. Charles Lovett, WR, Colorado State

4. Rob Hollomon, RB, Central Connecticut State

5. Adam Keller, K, North Dakota State: also attending Vikings mini-camp

6. Adam Redden, S, Buffalo

7. Corey Cooper, S, Nebraska

8. Steve Edmond, LB, Texas

9. Taylor Belsterling, WR, Huntington College

hagan714 05-09-2015 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 654994)
New Orleans Saints rookie minicamp: List of prospects who plan to attend | NOLA.com

Here is the unofficial list of invites so far. We'll update it occasionally in the coming days as names are added or deleted.

9. Taylor Belsterling, WR, Huntington College

Finally a WR with a shot 6-foot-5, 204 4.5 seconds, vertical 36 inches and board 0 feet, three inches.

"The (New Orleans) Saints have had three different guys evaluate him," Turk said. "I think the (New York) Giants have shown a lot of interest. That's the way it appears anyway. Those two stick out, but there are others."

1-on-1 with WR Taylor Belsterling, Saints minicamp invite

keep an eye on this kid. he might be the only WR we keep from this less than impressive rookie pool. mighty shallow. i would not dive into at all

SmashMouth 05-09-2015 11:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 654998)
Finally a WR with a shot 6-foot-5, 204 4.5 seconds, vertical 36 inches and board 0 feet, three inches.

"The (New Orleans) Saints have had three different guys evaluate him," Turk said. "I think the (New York) Giants have shown a lot of interest. That's the way it appears anyway. Those two stick out, but there are others."

1-on-1 with WR Taylor Belsterling, Saints minicamp invite

keep an eye on this kid. he might be the only WR we keep from this less than impressive rookie pool. mighty shallow. i would not dive into at all

Talk about under the radar player... he was ineligible due to too many semesters already completed as a senior; in other words, too much school. Hope he works out as Colston clone/replacement.

Danno 05-09-2015 12:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 655012)
Talk about under the radar player... he was ineligible due to too many semesters already completed as a senior; in other words, too much school. Hope he works out as Colston clone/replacement.

He's likely a PS candidate.

Barring injuries our 5 or 6 WR's will likely be...

1. Colston
2. Cooks
3. Toon
4. Morgan
5/6. Coleman and/or Jones
6/7. Saunders (Special teams)

hagan714 05-09-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 655017)
He's likely a PS candidate.

unless there is a Fred Biletnikoff hidden in this years class i really do not see another one worth talking about.

UK_WhoDat 05-10-2015 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 654209)
We should be grading the draft from 4 years ago. This one is an Incomplete until they start putting on the pads and playing some football or cleared of any murder charges lol.

You are not wrong.
To paraphrase an Alan Parsons quote:
The draft, Euphoria, has always been there, and it's hard to be around the draft and try to be totally natural. You never shake that off.

jeanpierre 05-10-2015 08:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 655090)
You are not wrong.
To paraphrase an Alan Parsons quote:
The draft, Euphoria, has always been there, and it's hard to be around the draft and try to be totally natural. You never shake that off.

Okay, this is weird, as I'm reading UK_WhoDat's post, am listening to radio play Alan Parsons' Project's 'Prime Time' with lyrics [I]"...something in the air..."

...wow, life feels like it's in stereo this morn...
:rolleyes:

iceshack149 05-11-2015 09:07 PM

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Papz/LOE:

;-p
:dead:
:puke:

jeanpierre 05-11-2015 10:13 PM

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Shack! You're Back!!!

xan 05-12-2015 09:41 AM

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OK, let's grade the 2011 Draft:

Cameron Jordan - B. 29 sacks, 65 games. Disappears, average against the run. Better lately, but needs to play smarter

Mark Ingram - C+. Injuries, inconsistencies. 2400 yards rushing in 4 years. Better lately, but mostly a 1 dimensional back.

Martez Wilson - F. Out of football

Johnny Patrick - F. Lasted 2 years. OOF.

Greg Romeus - F. 1 year practice squad. OOF

Nate Bussey - F. active for 1 game, cut 2011. OOF


Hmmm. I'd give this draft a D, only out of respect for Cam Jordan.

iceshack149 05-14-2015 08:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xan (Post 655334)
OK, let's grade the 2011 Draft:

Cameron Jordan - B. 29 sacks, 65 games. Disappears, average against the run. Better lately, but needs to play smarter

Mark Ingram - C+. Injuries, inconsistencies. 2400 yards rushing in 4 years. Better lately, but mostly a 1 dimensional back.

Martez Wilson - F. Out of football

Johnny Patrick - F. Lasted 2 years. OOF.

Greg Romeus - F. 1 year practice squad. OOF

Nate Bussey - F. active for 1 game, cut 2011. OOF


Hmmm. I'd give this draft a D, only out of respect for Cam Jordan.

Wait! THIS is the year that Romeus gets that starting job.

Danno 05-14-2015 06:18 PM

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Never grade a draft specifically on immediate need. You grade based on the prospect.

We drafted some guys who look like better prospects than most anyone else we've drafted in years.

Talented
Fast
Smart
Productive
Physical (well, most of them)
Leaders

Throw in the fact they also fit needs, and I think this was an excellent draft.

billyt81 05-14-2015 11:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 654400)
i gave them a "c". i felt we should have picked up more offensive players in this draft especially at the o line position. i know a lot of you all are excited about the defensive side of the ball, but as i see it we still dont have anyone on this roster that screams offensive fire power. i'm still wondering about our te position, our wr position, the o line as well as our running game. in my opinion drew is on the decline whether we want to admit it or not, and with no obvious offensive threats we're (in my opinion) is gonna see just how much of downward spiral our qb is heading. i'm glad we picked up a qb i hope he's a scrambler or someone that can get out of the pocket and make throws cuz lord knows i feel we're gonna need him sooner than we think.

Drew Brees completed 70% of his passes last year and the offense was like top 5 in the league or better. Actually, with Brees at QB, the Saint's offense has never finished worse than 6th in the league. Other than Jimmy Graham, they've never had an A-List offensive player. Personally, I expect great things from Josh Hill next year and Ben Watson is a good player too. I love our backfield. Ingram and Spiller are both good and compliment each other perfectly. The RB from Missouri is special. He is a STUD returner which we desperately need. He hits the hole hard, has great vision and rarely dances. He is a short strider with great balance who made a lot of big time plays against SEC defenses. I am really hoping for Joe Morgan to step up this year. At the end of last season, Toon showed some flashes too. He can break tackles. Everyone sells Cooks short. He is the real deal and not just a screen runner.


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