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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Beastmode This is getting beyond carried away. 3000 slaves were owned by black slave owners in New Orleans. I feel confident there are descendents of those black slave owners still living in the city who are Saints ...

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Old 07-15-2015, 01:09 AM   #31
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Re: Is the flour De Lis Offensive.

Originally Posted by Beastmode View Post
This is getting beyond carried away. 3000 slaves were owned by black slave owners in New Orleans. I feel confident there are descendents of those black slave owners still living in the city who are Saints fans and never had a problem with it.

The only problem I see here are organizations that refuse to let it go. At some point, the United Negro College fund will be racist along with the NAACP which is real close to right now. There is nobody left who was a slave or slave owner. There is no government agency or official who thinks any race is superior. If anything, those organizations do more harm than good right now because their whole existence depends upon the strength of racism. Without it, they die.

Hint: it is not about slavery...
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Old 07-15-2015, 05:24 AM   #32
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
*Sees link... sees CSC... is confused by comment... *

I watch the world around me all the time.

Now, I don't always read about it from alleged "journalistic" sources, and when I do, I prefer Knob Creek, and take it as mere entertainment.
Look pal, I'm not looking for a senseless argument. I have no idea what "CSC" stands for, nor do I have a clue what Knob Creek is. Again, you make it sound as if we're a bunch of idiots watching TMZ or reading a rag magazine.

These things we're talking about are actually happening. This is not speculation. People are taking offense to every freaking thing, and have either removed, or are in the process of trying to get flags or symbols removed. And we all know what those things are, it's been all over news. Some of it has to do with slavery, some of it is gay rights activists trying to remove monuments with the ten commandments on them, among other things.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:11 AM   #33
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I have no idea what "CSC" stands for,
Canal Street Chronicles.

nor do I have a clue what Knob Creek is.
Bourbon

Again, you make it sound as if we're a bunch of idiots watching TMZ or reading a rag magazine.
Again, Canal Street Chronicles

People are taking offense to every freaking thing
Seems to me there are more people taking offense, and are downright outraged, at some people taking offense at some things. And yes, I mean you.

These things we're talking about are actually happening. This is not speculation. People are taking offense to every freaking thing, and have either removed, or are in the process of trying to get flags or symbols removed. And we all know what those things are, it's been all over news. Some of it has to do with slavery, some of it is gay rights activists trying to remove monuments with the ten commandments on them, among other things.
Really? What "news source" is reporting gay activists want to remove monuments with the 10 commandments? I thought those were the atheists.. or are you saying atheists are gay activists as well?

And you know what? That little tidbit tells me all I need to know.

Look, pal
I'm not.
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:08 AM   #34
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Oh well, I was gonna' upgrade my security doors to these this summer (seriously), but they are expensive ... maybe with all the controversy, sales will drop & so will the prices, .
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Old 07-16-2015, 03:49 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 View Post
Might as well haul down Old Glory; she was flying over America during slavery times a helluva lot longer than the Stars & Bars!

Next we will have to get rid of the Constitution and Bill of Rights because they were written by white slaves owners!

The camel has officially gotten its nose under the tent!
The Stars and Bars is not the rebel/confederate flag. The stars and bars flag was the first official flag of the Confederate States of America. It was later changed because it looked too much like the American (Union) flag. The stars and bars flag looks absolutely nothing remotely like the Rebel flag people are so offended by today. Most of the people who argue that the stars and bars confederate flag is racist And most of the people who argue that it is history have no idea what the flag even looks like.

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
Canal Street Chronicles.


Bourbon


Again, Canal Street Chronicles


Seems to me there are more people taking offense, and are downright outraged, at some people taking offense at some things. And yes, I mean you.


Really? What "news source" is reporting gay activists want to remove monuments with the 10 commandments? I thought those were the atheists.. or are you saying atheists are gay activists as well?

And you know what? That little tidbit tells me all I need to know.


I'm not.
I almost forgot how condescending you were. But back to the point, of course atheists want to remove the ten commandments, aswell. That goes without saying. And, as with any person or group of people who don't believe in the bible there are homosexuals included in that, because what used to be the separation of church and state long stood in their way. It clearly doesn't anymore. Some of these people claim to believe in God, yet simultaneously (somehow) don't believe in what the bible says.

Now I used the ten commandments as one reference, but there are countless other christian values being thrown out the window due to pressure from activists of all kinds. In the spirit of freedom, I'm all for people having a choice. I might not agree with everyone, but everyone should get to make up their own mind. What I'm not ok with is people trying to use something like marriage for something it was never intended for, and turning around and saying that we MUST BY LAW accept this. We didn't get a vote. We got it rammed down our throats.

Do I take offense to that? You're damn right I do. How the hell do you expect me to respond? You seem to lack a great deal of perspective here in saying that I'm taking more offense. Does a rebel flag infringe your rights? You're free to love it or hate it. Gay marriage makes a mockery of the very essence of marriage. And before you say "well that's just your opinion, not everyone believes in the same things you do", that is why we had the separation of church and state in the first place. All I ask is to be able to keep the integrity within the things I believe in, and you can do whatever you think is right. The two should not collide.

And if you think that none of this is real when we can plainly see it on our televisions or, in some cases, right in front of our faces, then I guess no news service is legitimate enough. I didn't form my opinions or observations based on this one article. I didn't even remember that it was canal street chronicles, hence the reason I had no idea what CSC stood for.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:44 PM   #37
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Yes, very much so.
The Fleur De Lis is offensive to many people. It represents years of heart break and anguish. The symbol was present at beatings and humiliation that many men never recovered from. I completely understand why the symbol causes fear and loathing in the people that have been victim to such treatment... in Atlanta.
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Yes, very much so.
The Fleur De Lis is offensive to many people. It represents years of heart break and anguish. The symbol was present at beatings and humiliation that many men never recovered from. I completely understand why the symbol causes fear and loathing in the people that have been victim to such treatment... in Atlanta.
Because so many people alive today have witnessed this beat down first hand and cower every time they see the symbol on the Saints helmet.

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Old 07-16-2015, 11:55 PM   #39
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I almost forgot how condescending you were. But back to the point, of course atheists want to remove the ten commandments, aswell. That goes without saying. And, as with any person or group of people who don't believe in the bible there are homosexuals included in that, because what used to be the separation of church and state long stood in their way. It clearly doesn't anymore. Some of these people claim to believe in God, yet simultaneously (somehow) don't believe in what the bible says.

Now I used the ten commandments as one reference, but there are countless other christian values being thrown out the window due to pressure from activists of all kinds. In the spirit of freedom, I'm all for people having a choice. I might not agree with everyone, but everyone should get to make up their own mind. What I'm not ok with is people trying to use something like marriage for something it was never intended for, and turning around and saying that we MUST BY LAW accept this. We didn't get a vote. We got it rammed down our throats.

Do I take offense to that? You're damn right I do. How the hell do you expect me to respond? You seem to lack a great deal of perspective here in saying that I'm taking more offense. Does a rebel flag infringe your rights? You're free to love it or hate it. Gay marriage makes a mockery of the very essence of marriage. And before you say "well that's just your opinion, not everyone believes in the same things you do", that is why we had the separation of church and state in the first place. All I ask is to be able to keep the integrity within the things I believe in, and you can do whatever you think is right. The two should not collide.

And if you think that none of this is real when we can plainly see it on our televisions or, in some cases, right in front of our faces, then I guess no news service is legitimate enough. I didn't form my opinions or observations based on this one article. I didn't even remember that it was canal street chronicles, hence the reason I had no idea what CSC stood for.

Too much rambling there, and frankly this is not the place to discuss this... but what the heck:

The bible is NOT the U.S. Constitution. And no, you do not get to vote on the interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. It is up to the courts to interpret it.

I believe the U.S. Constitution says something about "all men created equal" or something like that... funny, back then they didn't think of adding women to that line; imagine what would've happened if women's suffrage had been put to a vote...

You don't want anyone imposing their beliefs and morality on you, but you have absolutely no issue imposing your beliefs and morality on other people, "because it is in the bible". Makes sense.

If you truly believe in what the bible says, then I'd suggest reading Mark 12:17. Yes, the part about giving to Caesar what it is Caesar's.

Speaking of "making a mockery the essence of marriage" and "not what's intended for", I think it is the very high divorce rate and the rate of domestic violence (to the tune of 1 woman beaten every 9 seconds) that make much more a mockery of marriage than people of the same sex getting married. I guess God intended husbands to beat their wives and leave them :\
Oh, and fun fact: on average, lesbian couples have longer, more monogamous relationships than man-woman or man-man relationships.

I do not have an issue with anyone's inalienable right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, no matter what an old book written centuries ago by who knows who in a land far, far away.

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Old 07-17-2015, 09:19 AM   #40
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If I were the Washington Redskins, I'd drop the word "Washington" and just be the Redskins.

Native Americans are much less offensive to me (I am part Cherokee) than the scumbag politicians that occupy Washington...
I know a many Indian that feels the same way
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