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I wonder if Deuce might hold out for a prolong period of time.

And is Deuce worth top 5 money?

Pros: Deuce plays with a lot of heart and puts up good yardage.

Cons: Deuce is one of the worst backs in the NFL when it comes to TD/fumble ratio. Of all the top backs, only Tiki Barber is worse.


I'm thinking Deuce is in the top 10 but not top 5. This should be interesting.

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a link, perhaps

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I just posted a link in the other thread. Go look and I\'ll be waiting on an apology? LOL

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Oh, you mean a link to the article. My aplogies.

Here\'s the link, Scotty.

Scotty\'s Link

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Maybe they should trade him away?

He\'s good and all..but I\'m more of a Team fan more that a Players fan...and you have to put the team first...

I can\'t see giving him Tomlinson like money..no way...

More and more I wish the whole salary issue was strictly a performance based thing...

All Rookies should be signed to a set amount of money for a 2 year contract..then the team could resign..or whatever only after the original contract expires.....and if they get signed...then you make the league minimum..with incentives....then get paid AFTER the season..based on what you do..You know the concept..we all adhere to it in our jobs...if we do well..we get raises..and we get paid based on the kind of production we display...in hard numbers..none of this potential hogwash...

could you imagine the sort of hunger to win this would instill in these modern day players?

not to mention..the coaches..and owners..

it would bring grit back to football..and..it would bring individual accountability back...

It would be AWESOME

but..yeah let me get back to reality....If Deuce can\'t be more of a team player..and continually insists on top 3 or 5 money..he needs to be considered for a trade...don\'t get me wrong..he needs a raise...but not top 5 ..we just have too many needs... as harsh as that view is..it\'s just plain and simple facts..if we give him top 5 money..forget about signing any big free agents... or even many middle of the road kinda guys...He will be our Offense...

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this is a critical decision for the franchise. i hope no one here clings to the term saint-for-life or you end up with eddie georges that cannot hit 3.5 ypc anymore. the lifespan for rbs is getting shorter n shorter. with the injuries and slowing i dunno if deuce is worth tomlinson kind of commitment. heaven forbid i know he the saintliest of saints but it takes vision, discipline, and commitment to win in the cap world. (see the article just posted). before over the top money i would take one of the top 3 rbs in the draft via trade, via oakland for example, plus a second and a first next year. that said, i am only FOR deuce BUT only if at the right price.

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what you dont do is trade mccalister.... if they would play him right (with carney in front blocking for him) he is freaking awesome... there is not a better back out there for us.... what you DO is ship AB and his 6 mill a year salary and get someone decent with lower pay (anyone is better than him) duece played for peanuts the last few years and earned his money..... if they get rid of him i will have no more reason to watch the saints... we get rid of heart and keep people who dont really care... unload sullivan, he should be in breech of his contract since he is out of football shape and was inactive and it was not due to injury....

there are guys they can un;load to keep deuce....but watch them stay par with what they do by keeping sullivan and brooks and shipping out deuce....

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That\'s hilarious, man! :D

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...you forgot Priest Holmes, Ahman Green, and Chris brown, but that was taking into account this past season. I guess if I have time later, I can factor in past four.

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Ok, I wanted the link cuz I was a bit confused as to the date of the article. What was posted seemed to be an article from Aug. \'04.

Now I see it is recent. My opinion is that Deuce isn\'t worth a huge mega contract based solely on what he has done to date. However, if there was ever a player on this Team that was worth a risk, it\'s Deuce. Conditioning iissues are the only worries I have for him and I think that it\'s being overblown by some as to how bad his shape was this season.

Deuce hasn\'t quite had the seasons Tomlinson or Portis have had so maybe he shouldn\'t get quite that much money. But in my estimation he is worth as much to us as either of those two RBs and should be paid as being such.

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I don\'t mind top-5 money for Deuce, just put a workout/weight clause in it. ;)
If he works out, and comes into camp fit and trim (220 to 230), I think he can flirt with 2000 yards. Of course that depends on upgrading an O-lineman or two.

He\'d be worth the money with a weight clause.

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I agree with that Danno, but Sullivan has a weight clause, Haslett swore in the offseason they would enforce it and they didn\'t. Maybe since Deuce is a star they will be more forceful, but then that seems hypocritical and detrimental to the team.

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I thought it was 315 lbs, and he made it down to that.
The players union would pinch a cowloaf if Haz tried to fine Sully just for being lazy. Although I\'d love to see both happen

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I don\'t recall him ever making it down to 315. Not by the time they had set for fines. If he did during the season I would be shocked. My point was though, they never enforced it so they can\'t very well do it to Deuce. Eventhough I agree with you and would like them to.

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well i cant see trading deuce. i think we should keep him because he will get the money even if he isnt here. i dont know who we have to replace him. until we have someone that can we have to pay the man. i dont think a weight clause would hurt though.

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No way you give him top 5 money, he is not a top 5 RB. You pay him in the 6-10 range and if he don\'t like it he can hold-out...But I wouldn\'t ship either him or Brooks out.

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i think some people are getting too used to having a 1000+ yard back every year now... when have the saints ever had a consistant 1000 yard back in the last ten years? now that he gives you 1000 (even on a hurt year) people want to say he is not worth the money he wants? i think haveing 1000+ yards a year is a big thing, nothing to spit at... there are plenty teams out there who would love to have a back they knew would produce every year... he would have had more if they would have had karney blocking for him in teh i formation instead of that 2 TE **** they had the first few games... and the only reason that stopped somewhat is because Deuce went to hasslett and demanded that he have a FB....it was a terrible scheme they ran this year and he was hurt but still put up great yardage....

dont get numb to the fact he gets that kind of yardage every year and expect more.....

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Also take into consideration that due to the horrendous Saints defense, Deuce wasn\'t able to touch the ball. The ball was in the air more than it was on the ground. Had the defense pulled their heads out of their butts a bit sooner, Deuce could\'ve been over 1200 yards.....easily.

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When he\'s not injured, he is a top 5 back without a doubt. Look at the numbers he put up, he carries this team on his back. He\'s also a fan favorite and puts people in the seats. He definately deserves his money. Look at the rookie contract he signed with us. We got WAY more than our money\'s worth. Time to reimburse. Unless we pull some kind of crazy draft and select a top back, but why risk it when we have the sure thing...

Joe Horn wants an extension and more money. Doesn\'t it seem to you that he gets it re-done like every freaking year?

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DEUCE IS A HOG!!!!!........
Give him the money.........who else is as productive on the team?????.(even hurt).......not to mention passion for playing with the saints...............stopit ya\'ll......pay him and move on.... :D

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i knew mentioning simply the idea of even trading deuce would invoke a hailstorm. let me reitterate, i love him and think he the kind of back that can carry a team a long ways. i do not however think even that player should be retained at ANY price. it is said he wants portis/tomlinson money and the club is offering priest holmes money. port/tom are getting 6mil+ a yr for 8 yrs, 17-21mil guaranteed. i couldnt find holmes numbers but it is thought to be in the top 5 and that it is 10mil guaranteed. corey dillon signed with the pats for 3.8 mil so i guess holmes is 5ish mil 2-3 yrs guaranteed. can this kind of chasm be crossed? possibly. did you know he is still obligated to 2 more yrs on the current contract at 470k a yr? i know he\'ll holdout before doing that. [a side note is that i do have a beef that professional athletes demand a contract redo when their performance exceeds the mkt rate terms of their contract but get to take the money and run if they decide to skate or flake out ala bubblebutt sullivan] this type of scenario is why you see teams franchise a player year after year( ex: w. jones),-usually a top flight player but they cannot come to common ground. it is imperative for success in the cap world to not overpay a player a couple of million a year. that isnt even talking about the 10-20+ mil signing bonus impact either. the team is in the driver\'s seat with deuce. his only negotiating leverage is holding out. reach agreement or the team can throw enough bonus money at him without a contract redo to get him to play and say we\'ll work on it next winter (since another yr on current contract). let him prove he can get in shape and bounce back to \'03 form then sign him to top 5 money. it sounds like if they franchised him he would get less money than what the team is offering. i\'m sorry, it sounds like the team is offering further than what many teams would. my trade scenario was that the idea of being able to get benson, cadillac, or ronnie brown (and have them for 4-5 yrs at 500k) plus a 2nd this year and a first next is a reasonable option to paying a rb 8-10% of an entire teams cap.

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I think we can all agree that he deserves a raise...He does..He plays well for us...and we need guys like him in order to win games...

They\'l likely resign him..I just hope they can get a fair contract with hard to obtain incentive deals...

Not impossible..but difficult..I mean we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars..He needs to work for it...and he should have to depend on the team as a whole to help him obtain his personal goals ...Incentives are a great motivator..till about week 12..then it becomes an urgency...
We need all the urgency we can get from this team..

Give him the contract....but..make it hard for him to get the kind of money he thinks he deserves...

All NFL contracts should be incentive based...In my opinion.., and it should be a more universal standard...what I mean is..the same amount should be given to players from any team for the bonuses for which they may be eligible for...

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i had to add one note about 1000 yd rushers. i am old enough to remember when it really did mean something. hobbled up deuce behind that line could do it last year. washed up emmitt just missed 1000. in 2004 18 players rushed for over 1000 yds, 5 over 1500, 2003 18 players over and 6 over 1500, 2002 17 players with 4 over 1500. if you just want a 1000 yd rusher you can get a domanick davis or kevin barlow type for a lot less. hell, nick goings would have had a 1000 if he had started a coupla more games. deuce is a lot more special than that but he still must establish himself more seasons before being annoited to the hall of fame.

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sorry, one more... i dunno if even hundreds of thousands are that big of a deal shadow if you just got a 20mil signing bonus. like with bubblebutt- we have paid this slug over 9mil already and still counting. to quote randy moss when asked about his 10k fine for the fake mooning-
Reporter: \"Write the check yet, Randy?\"

Moss: \"When you\'re rich, you don\'t write checks.\"

Reporter: \"If you don\'t write checks, how do you pay these guys?\"

Moss: \"Straight cash, homey.\"

Reporter: \"Randy, are you upset about the fine?\"

Moss: \"No, cause it ain\'t sh!t. Ain\'t nothing but 10 grand. What\'s 10 grand to me?\"

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For what he does on the field, maybe not. But its close. Plus, I saw a problem in the play calling last year- not his fault. Two tight ends....grrrr.....

For how he fills the seats, for how he sells the team, he is worth the money.

The NFL is a business. Sure, its bad to lock up players in long-term contracts. But the Saints have give way worse contracts to undeserving people.

He has a chance to easily be the best Saints RB ever. Its worth the risk.

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mixed feelings-we could get rudy johnson for less than what duece was making last year and he is a 1000 rusher.

If we did keep duece there would have to be workout/weight cluases in there and a health clause. If we had that I wouldn\'t mind keeping him.

I think that in a better offense with a pocket qb duece would be one of the best backs in the game.

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we are paying brooks 6 million a year for 6 years....

if he gets money like that, there should be no discussion on whether or not duece should get it.... if he wanted 10 mill a year that would be insane.... if we dont give him AB money, that would be an inssult... and for the record portis is not as good as deuce...

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315? which leg? :hungry:

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fireven.....funny..........Deuce is worth every cent and more...
I put him up there with A. Green and J Lewis.......
Imagine his production with those O lines...