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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; In 2000 Tom Benson hired a relatively unknown Randy Meuller to be the GM of the New Orleans Saints. Meuller was coming to an organization that was one of the worst in the NFL. The prior year before Meuller's arrival ...

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Old 02-09-2005, 10:52 AM   #1
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In 2000 Tom Benson hired a relatively unknown Randy Meuller to be the GM of the New Orleans Saints.

Meuller was coming to an organization that was one of the worst in the NFL. The prior year before Meuller's arrival -- the Saints finished a disappointing 3-13. And Mike Ditka was subsequently fired.

Ditka really left the team void of talent in MANY areas. Giving up an entire draft for one player, Ricky Williams, was only one reason for the utter lack of talent.

Left over from the Ditka era were QB's Billy Joe Holbert, Billy Joe Tolliver and Danny Wuerful. And the receivers were a bunch of cast-offs that really had no business starting.

The offense was in terrible shape. But there were some very good players at positions other than the "skilled" position spots.

The offensive line had such players as Willy Roaf, Kyle Turley, and Jerry Fontenot.

Then at running back there was Ricky Williams....

Two of those players, Ricky Williams and Kyle Turley, proved to be "basket" cases and were shipped off to other teams.

Wilie Roaf was also shipped to Kansas City, for reasons that have been well documented. It seemed Roaf didn't want to play on the same team as Joe Horn. That's the rumor, anyway!!

The Defense was in okay shape on Meuller's arrival. There were players such as Le Roi Glover, Joe Johnson, and Sammy Knight. Other than that, MOST of the defensive players were serviceable....

Besides Sammy Knight, the rest of the secondary was in need of a major overhaul. And the linebacker corp. need an upgrade aslo.

Even with the glaring weakness on the defense, Ron Zook was able to get this group to play very well with his aggressive blitzing schemes. The defense even led the NFL in sacks in 2000.

But it was obvious in the 2000 playoff game against the Vikings that this unit simply had too many holes to overcome by "scheming" their way out of it...

All in all, Meuller had his work cut out for him if he wanted to build a winner in the Big Easy..

But, Meuller was aggressive from the start.

He hired Jim Haslett as the head coach. Brought in guys on offense such as Joe Horn, Jeff Blake, Aaron Brooks and drafted Deuce McAllister.

But with the departure of Wille Roaf and Kyle Turley, the offensive line was beginning it's march towards what we have today!!

Then there was the changes Meuller made on the defense. He shipped Le Roi Glover off. Refused to sign Joe Johnson to a big contact. And thought we needed more speed that what Sammy Knight brought to the table at the saftety postion.

Then Ron Zook left and the defense became one of the worst in the NFL.

Looking back, many mistakes were made under Meuller.


Who knows how Meuller would have gone about fixing those problems as he was subsequently fired by Tom Benson for reasons still unknown to this day.

I wish I knew WHY Meuller was fired. Meuller is still not employeed in the NFL to this day. Seems strange to me...


But, that was the Meuller era.


What has happened since that time is Jim Haslett was left with no real GM and I'm not sure who's been calling the shots as far as bringing in players.

Granted, there was still a lot of work to do once Meuller was fired. But, there hasn't been much that's been fixed.

Haslett has tried all kind of players at certain weak spots.

Grady Jackson, Norman Hand, Jonathan Sullivan, and Brian Young were brought in to fill the gaping hole at DT.

Sammy Knight was replaced by Tebucky Jones.

Many linebackers have been brought in to try and fix an already weak area.

Many cornerbacks were brought in to try and fix an already weak seconday.

It's been 4 long years without the playoffs. Many personnel mistakes have been made.

The defensive coordiantor spot has been a failure with the read and react Venturi system.

The offense has been up and down. Most of the reason I believe has to do with the offensive line.

As I sit here today and evaluate the 2005 Saints, I see a team that is far and away better than the team Meuller and Haslett took over. And it appears that if a "few" holes are addressed this offseason that this team might finally be able to compete.

That is ..... if you think this coaching staff can win with good players...



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Old 02-09-2005, 11:07 AM   #2
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1. i hate the \"read and react\" system to me it stinks of \"we really don\'t have a plan\".
2.I wonder if meuller really liked being a GM-just based on some of his comments...
3. I agree I think the GM is more to fault than haslett
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Old 02-09-2005, 11:26 AM   #3
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Is there any documented proof Mueller amde those calls to get rid of certain players and not Haslett? I recall Haslett saying we need to get bigger up front, and out went Glover. Then we needed to be faster in the secondary and out went Sammy. I wonder if it can be shown those were Mueller\'s decisions ot the decisions he made cause of the wants of Haslett to change tactics every year? And can it also be shown Haslett didn\'t ask for the players it is being said Mueller brought in?
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Old 02-09-2005, 11:34 AM   #4
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I think that is the main question-who is calling the shots--who wanted to trade two first rounders to get sullivan? who decided to bring in duece and get rid of Ricky?

that is the main question which no one is answering. I do know from mueller\'s chats that he is really high on Aaron brooks...so that may have been his call.

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Old 02-09-2005, 11:37 AM   #5
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Is there any documented proof Mueller amde those calls to get rid of certain players and not Haslett?
Is there documented proof? Nope. Is there ANY documented proff that Haslett is the one who wanted some of the players we have now?

All of the moves I listed were made under Meuller\'s watch. That\'s a fact.

Who\'s to say Jim Haslett isn\'t the one who wanted Joe Horn and Deuce McAllister. Is there any documented proof that Meuller made those calls?

Either you believe Meuller had the power when he was here or he didn\'t?
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Old 02-09-2005, 11:48 AM   #6
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I think that that is the million dollar question-who is making the calls on personel in the big easy.
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Old 02-09-2005, 12:01 PM   #7
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since mueller\'s departure the personnel moves have been very similar to the team play. 2002 it was a laughingstock fold in the last three games, 2004 it was vying for the playoffs with 4 wins saving haslett\'s job. 2003 draft was among the worst in saints history, 2004 was solid if devery plays. picking deuce and letting williams go was genius. ditto turley. dale carter and the heavy lunch bunch were terrible failures. on and on. but the sum total equals the same 7-9, 9-7, 8-8, 8-8 result. it seems obvious that whoever is responsible the formula for the past 4 years is not getting to the next level. that is why i am in favor of more radical moves than tweaking by getting second or third tier free agents. make a splash, do something different. i would rather be disaapointed that it didnt work and end up at 4-12 knowing legitimate overhaul was tried in effort to get to 12-4 versus just more tinkering with the same brand of failure that results in another schizophrentic performance resulting in another lackluster record.
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Old 02-09-2005, 03:11 PM   #8
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The overall team attitude was really poor at that time...

Willie Roaf and Joe Horn...we all know about that one..

But also..Albert Connell....remember...he was a pretty darn good receiver...and he fisted some cash from Deuce...as a joke..supposedly...

And...what happend to Crowell...He just dissapeared without a trace....He had some potential...

Why can\'t we get a number 2 receiver?...and..why can\'t we resign our good veteran players?


Is there some sort of under the rug things that went on...something that has players afraid to play here one day past the contract?

Even McKensie held out as long as he possibly could before coming here...some of that may have been GB...

It\'s like...people are scared to play here...Why?
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Old 02-09-2005, 04:14 PM   #9
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Scared to play here? I think we\'ve gotten our fair share of free agents. We spent very big dollars for Dale Carter, Tebucky Jones, Wayne Gandy, Joe Horn, Ernie Conwell, Jay Bellamy, etc...

It\'s more like we\'ve made a run at the wrong free agents. Horrible scouting and overpaying down the hill free agents is our problem.
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Old 02-09-2005, 05:13 PM   #10
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It\'s more like we\'ve made a run at the wrong free agents. Horrible scouting and overpaying down the hill free agents is our problem.
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