Go Back   New Orleans Saints - blackandgold.com > Main > Saints
Shop Horizontal

The Importance of Deuce

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I just took a quick look at the numbers for the last two years, and the results are not suprising, but they are compelling. In 2003 and 2004, in games the Saints won they averaged 101 yards rushing and 27 ...

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-09-2005, 02:09 PM   #1
5000 POSTS! +
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 5,631
The Importance of Deuce

I just took a quick look at the numbers for the last two years, and the results are not suprising, but they are compelling.

In 2003 and 2004, in games the Saints won they averaged 101 yards rushing and 27 points. In games that they lost, they averaged only 76 yards rushing and 16 points. That's a huge difference, especially on the scoreboard. Deuce may not score a ton, but it appears that the team does when he is successful.

I think this type of analysis, while incomplete to be sure, gives compelling insight into why the Saints need to make Deuce a top priority this off-season - not just in signing him long-term, but in taking steps to insure that he stays healthy and in-shape for ALL of next season.
WhoDat is offline  
Latest Blogs
2015 Saints Bye Week Draft Last Blog: 10-16-2014 By: hagan714


"IRONY" Last Blog: 10-01-2014 By: teddybarexxx


Sainity Zone 9-30-14 Hail Last Blog: 09-30-2014 By: xan


Old 02-09-2005, 02:17 PM   #2
1000 Posts +
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Williamsburg, VA (aka Southern Canada)
Posts: 1,689
The Importance of Deuce

At first blush the 25 yard difference seems miniscule, but after thinking it over it might make more sense like this...

25 yards could very well be 13 two yard gains that converted on third down and kept drives alive. Just think how much more efficient our O would be with 13 more first downs per game.

just another perspective...
ScottyRo is offline  
Old 02-09-2005, 02:18 PM   #3
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,616
The Importance of Deuce

In 2003 and 2004, in games the Saints won they averaged 101 yards rushing and 27 points. In games that they lost, they averaged only 76 yards rushing and 16 points.
It\'s easy to beat a team when they are One Dimensional !!

Which is what the Saints\' offense was this year. No running game, to speak of, except for the last 4 games.

Brooks led the league in passes attempted. Why? Because we had no running game and our defense couldn\'t stop anyone.

That\'s why I feel McCarthy was made a scape-goat!!

There\'s NO doubt we need Deuce. And there\'s no doubt we need him to stay healthy and producitve.
GumboBC is offline  
Old 02-09-2005, 02:26 PM   #4
1000 Posts +
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Williamsburg, VA (aka Southern Canada)
Posts: 1,689
The Importance of Deuce

McCarthy a scapegoat? Hardly. People on this board, myself included, have been calling for his head for two seasons. He\'s done the same idiotic stuff for too long and all I can say is good ridance.

Deuce is a prime example of where McCarthy struggled. In \'03 I became so irritated because it seemed like on 95% of the 3rd&1s and 4th&1s he called for deuce up the middle orbetween guard and tackle and we got stuffed on many of those. Add to it that he ran a screen 2 or 3 times a game and NEVER did one work very well. He just sucked.

The RB position is of huge importance especially when you\'re iffy at QB. Sign Deuce NOW.
ScottyRo is offline  
Old 02-09-2005, 02:30 PM   #5
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,616
The Importance of Deuce

ScottyRo --

In a way ... I\'m glad McCarthy is gone. Like you, I felt McCarthy had gotten predictable with his play calling.

But as WhoDat pointed out:

In 2003 and 2004, in games the Saints won they averaged 101 yards rushing and 27 points. In games that they lost, they averaged only 76 yards rushing and 16 points. That\'s a huge difference, especially on the scoreboard.
Maybe McCarty\'s offense is only productive when we\'re able to run the ball? I don\'t know. But, I do know when we were able to run the ball that our offense was VERY productive. Especially on the score-board.

Is it possible that Deuce\'s injury and the offensive line prevented McCarthy\'s offense from being successful?


GumboBC is offline  
Old 02-09-2005, 03:54 PM   #6
5000 POSTS! +
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 5,631
The Importance of Deuce

Again, this is a very minimal analysis, and it\'s not complete by any means, but...

You can see Deuce\'s impact certainly in terms of points scored. But, to put it into perspective: Brooks averages 230 yards per game (over the last two seasons). When the Saints win, he averages 233. When they lose, he averages 227. That\'s not much of a difference now is it.

However, when Deuce is utilized well, it appears Brooks\' job gets easier. When Deuce goes for 100 yards or more AB averages only 209, as compared to 234 when Deuce is under 100. Still not a huge difference, but it would appear, at least minimally, that the more Deuce is involved the less AB has to do, the more likely the team is to score, and the odds of winning increase. Again, there are a great number of factors not in this equation, but it is some good food for thought.

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\"
he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"
WhoDat is offline  
Old 02-09-2005, 04:23 PM   #7
Merces Letifer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,369
The Importance of Deuce


... in all honesty, such a stat only tells me that when you win, your stats usually look good, and when you lose, your stats usually look bad... so I don\'t find it compelling at all... averages are just that, averages...

..take a 25 carries, 100 yard game by a RB... is that good? Statswise, sure, it\'s good... You divide 100 by 25 and you get 4 yards per carry. But what if the RB got 75 yards in one run? Then it don\'t look so good, does it?


..had to go back to stress one point: I like Dulymus. I like how he plays, I like his attitude, and he\'s a very, very good RB with extremely under-utilized catching abilities (that\'s mainly because the Saints can\'t run a screen to save their lives) .. so this is not a knock on Deuce, it\'s a knock on stats..

... the importance of Deuce is the threat of the big play... he\'s big, powerful, and deceivingly fast... and if you are a DC, you have to keep your LB\'s tight...



[Edited on 9/2/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

La neta es chida, pero inalcanzable
Tobias-Reiper is offline  
Old 02-09-2005, 04:33 PM   #8
Site Donor 2014
Truth Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Spanish Fort Alabama
Posts: 16,385
The Importance of Deuce

As awesome and important as he is to this team I hope he realizes how important it is to NOT come into camp fat and out of shape.
I think enough has been made of his conditioning that he\'s probably got a little chip on his shoulder now. And thats a good thing.
I predict he\'ll come into 2005 at a fit 228, and regain his breakaway speed. But I\'m a true optimist.
Danno is online now  
Old 02-09-2005, 05:11 PM   #9
500th Post
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 954
The Importance of Deuce

the thing is-duece is doing what everyone predictd out of ole miss--he\'s starting to show up out of shape and that isn\'t a good sign.
baronm is offline  
Old 02-10-2005, 11:08 AM   #10
1000 Posts +
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,417
The Importance of Deuce

Who,

Interesting post.

Can I get some clarification on the \"utilizing Duece\"? Our run to pass distribution was like 46-54 per 100 plays. That means we ran almost 50% of the time. Of course, Duece was hurt for a couple of games, but they DID \"utilize him\".

I\'m going to agree with this: put Duece back in a formation he is comfortable with (i.e. one with a FB and probably just one TE), and stop d--king around with 2TEs, and he\'ll play better.

However, it is not clear to me that Duece was so under-utilized as people seem to think. It is my view that the OLine was just so poor, as was the scheming (at least some of the time) that Duece just couldn\'t have been much more effective this year (injury aside, of course).

[Edited on 10/2/2005 by JKool]

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks :cool:
JKool is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:28 PM.


Copyright 1997 - 2013 - BlackandGold.com
no new posts