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Old 09-14-2015, 01:03 PM   #1
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Someone on nola typed how I felt so I am sharing.



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Some one has to be held accountable for the bad drafts or we might end up like the Jacksonville Jaguars where bad drafts and horrible scouting have cost them for years... In 2011 the saints were high on Justin Houston but didn't draft him because of character issues..Lately they've been preaching about having good character guys in the locker room but the so called good character guys that they've scouted also have a lot of injury issues as well... Davis Tull, Ronald Powell, Vinnie Sunseri.... Etc... Guys who have tore acl's I they're last season of college as if those same problems don't translate to the NFL.... But wonder where they're depth goes... They're suppose to model themselves after the patriots but the difference is that the patriots can coach, I'm starting to think some of our coaches can't... When guys with character issues enter the patriots organization, they're there and they shut they're mouth and you usually don't hear about the same issues they've had prior to coming they're and if so they're cut... Guys like Albert Haynesworth, LaGarret Blount, Chad Johnson.... Etc. As a coach, it is your job to deal with characters, egos, and other issues and if you can't handle that responsibility by shying away from players who have talent that you're afraid to coach or rather not deal with them maybe someone shouldn't be coaching here in New Orleans anymore... Because the way we've been going about scouting talent has been costing us of missing out on depth, talent, and better years... I'm not speaking on yesterday's game, I'm speaking on the state of this organization... Good character guys can't be coached if they can't stay healthy... Stop wasting draft picks and 3 years of time to develop a player you're going to eventually cut because he can't get the reps.
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Old 09-14-2015, 01:15 PM   #2
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Some one has to be held accountable for the bad drafts or we might end up like the Jacksonville Jaguars where bad drafts and horrible scouting have cost them for years.
We fired the scouting department and hired a new guy this year. I'd say thats accountability.


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Old 09-14-2015, 01:20 PM   #3
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Can't argue much with that. I've been beating the drum, and a bunch on here as well, that our position coachs are average at best. The only coach that I can say we have had that developed talent was Aaron kromer and we let him leave. But coachs like Vitt and Johnson are past there prime and until Payton is willing to part with his "boys", things will remain the same.

As Danno has pointed out, we have taken steps this year to fix one of the issues as it pertains to scouting. But Paytons devotion to what IMO is below average assistants, it will be the reason for his exit from N.O. eventually.
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Old 09-14-2015, 01:32 PM   #4
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We fired the scouting department and hired a new guy this year. I'd say thats accountability.
the key thing that caught my attention is that NE have developed some strong character and troubled players Albert Haynesworth, LaGarret Blount, Chad Johnson & Randy Moss. I do think Payton is doing a exceptional job with some character players but developing them have been flawed. we stepped in right direction by hiring Dennis Allen and new scouts to find the talent (love our draft this yr) but now we need a lb coach, dl coach, and ol coach (in that order)
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Old 09-16-2015, 02:39 AM   #5
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What is it that you guys are seeing in Dennis Allen?? His fingerprints are on this defense just as much as Ryan's and we still suck. We need to get a top flight DC and we need to do it NOW.
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What is it that you guys are seeing in Dennis Allen?? His fingerprints are on this defense just as much as Ryan's and we still suck. We need to get a top flight DC and we need to do it NOW.
Even if we did, where do you get one of these? There is no elite coordinator tree to pluck from. We are stuck with what we have this season.

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What is it that you guys are seeing in Dennis Allen?? His fingerprints are on this defense just as much as Ryan's and we still suck. We need to get a top flight DC and we need to do it NOW.
The season we won the Super Bowl Dennis Allen was our secondary coach, the defensive talent was not all that good then cause we relied on blitz to get pressure but the secondary was exceptional Tracy porter, Jabari Greer, Darren sharper & Harper was great in the secondary. Now with two 1st year db's and backup safeties (Sanford & bush) the improvements are in the right direction. I can see our secondary developing
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Even if we did, where do you get one of these? There is no elite coordinator tree to pluck from. We are stuck with what we have this season.

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What you see is what we got, if the Defense goes into a death roll by mid-season SP may give RR the boot and move Dennis Allen into the
position. That's pretty much the only choice he has that I can see.
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iirc the 49ers refused to allow the Saints to interview a couple of their defensive position coaches before the Ryan hire but even this offseason there were a couple of elite defensive coordinators available and the Saints didn't talk to either one of them but even then you can't make chicken salad out of chicken **** and IMO Dick Lebeau would look like Rick Venturi with this unit
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iirc the 49ers refused to allow the Saints to interview a couple of their defensive position coaches before the Ryan hire but even this offseason there were a couple of elite defensive coordinators available and the Saints didn't talk to either one of them
Rightfully so. You can't give up on Ryan after 1 bad season. Now if things go as they are so far, it may be a different story this coming offseason.

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