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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; The O-line was better without Evans, I think they will be better the longer they play together. A big body sure handed WR is needed, the rest is fine. It's the D side where the problem is. When players look ...

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Old 09-28-2015, 10:25 AM   #11
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The O-line was better without Evans, I think they will be better the longer they play together. A big body sure handed WR is needed, the rest is fine. It's the D side where the problem is. When players look like kids running around on a playground at recess it's not hard to see the lack of disipline that has been installed in them.The lack of playmakers I'm calling B.S. on that, we have plenty on both sides of the ball. I blame the coach(Payton in particular) because it's his job to make sure his position coaches install this in the players and when those position coaches don't it reflects on him . I don't believe for 1 second Payton don't see this and knows what to do about it. But will his loyalty get in the way? Paytons a smart guy but he has some issues that lie not with the players but the staff he has assimbled around him. If he can't see it I'll tell you Payton, it's your entire D staff and the 2 headed monsters are Johnson and Vitt in particular with Allen right there with them. Ryan is in over his head with these 3 and do yourself a favor and let him go to.Rebuild your D staff and this team has a chance to rebound in the later part of the year and be strong next season if not take your medicine when the doctor comes calling.
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Old 09-28-2015, 11:17 AM   #12
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Re: Saints don't lack desire or effort; they lack playmakers

Arizona, I feel like was a possible win, with Tampa we had two fourth quarter turnovers that should have let us pull away, and in Carolina, without the punt return, we aren't in that either. We should be 1-2 maybe, but these teams that have beat us are not good and that speaks volumes.

However, this team could Gel, you see hints of it every game, we were the first team to go to the Superbowl finishing a season 0-3, who says they can't starting a season 0-3, stranger things have happened.
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Its bad coaching, that simple.

Defense is tackling, assignments, and execution.
We lack all 3 on defense, so the coaches have sucked, no excuses.

Offense is Blocking, assignments, and execution.
We lack execution.

these are the fundimentals as Belichick would say.

Doesnt matter if you have the best talent in the world, if you cant train him to do the basics in the NFL he will fail. I have never seen a saints defense that even looked that good or got the fundamentals sense 2006, including 2009. Its always been fingers crossed for us as fans.
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Re: Saints don't lack desire or effort; they lack playmakers

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Can we please get Lance back?
Why? He was mediocre when he was here and he's even worse in Detroit.

3 games, 6 catches for a whopping 46 yards.
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Re: Saints don't lack desire or effort; they lack playmakers

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Why? He was mediocre when he was here and he's even worse in Detroit.

3 games, 6 catches for a whopping 46 yards.
The amount of time people spend living in the past is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 View Post
Can we please get Lance back?
Is Terrance Copper available? What's Adrian Arrington doing?
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Re: Saints don't lack desire or effort; they lack playmakers

Originally Posted by pherein View Post
Its bad coaching, that simple.

Defense is tackling, assignments, and execution.
We lack all 3 on defense, so the coaches have sucked, no excuses.

Offense is Blocking, assignments, and execution.
We lack execution.

these are the fundimentals as Belichick would say.

Doesnt matter if you have the best talent in the world, if you cant train him to do the basics in the NFL he will fail. I have never seen a saints defense that even looked that good or got the fundamentals sense 2006, including 2009. Its always been fingers crossed for us as fans.
I believe it really is coming down to poor coaching.
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Old 09-30-2015, 08:55 AM   #18
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Re: Saints don't lack desire or effort; they lack playmakers

I keep hearing about how young we are on defense, but as it pertains to this year, does that really matter? If we're trying to figure out what our chances are THIS year, then what we're seeing is a team that's a long way from being a playoff contender. If we're talking about next year, that's an entirely different subject.

But what about the offense? We're lacking in every position, and there are only a couple players who look to be future pieces. I've accepted it. It'll be what it'll be... But this roster, as it stands, is never getting us anywhere. Lot's of changes must and hopefully WILL be made.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: Saints don't lack desire or effort; they lack playmakers

That picture with Damian Swann's reaction perfectly describes our reaction to this last year and this year.
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Young guys !!! They will get there.
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