Saints don't lack desire or effort; they lack playmakers
 

It could be worse, New Orleans Saints fans. You could be 0-3 and have to live in Baltimore. Or Detroit.

The silver lining to the Saints' forlorn start to the season is this: If you're going to have to endure bad football at least you get to do it in a place where the weather's nice.

As you try to digest the Saints' 27-22 loss to the Carolina Panthers today and stomach the fact that they haven't won a game of any kind in nearly nine months, take solace in knowing things could be worse. You could be in Chicago, where a long season and even longer winter awaits.

Otherwise, there's little comfort in 0-3. As Sean Payton said earlier this week, Clark Kent isn't walking through that door to save the Saints' season.

"There's no magic answer," Saints right tackle Zach Strief said. "There just isn't. We're not doing the things you need to do to win games. It's the same things we talk about every week, and we're not fixing them. ... There's no silver lining. There just isn't."

Yes, the Saints have been here before. They also lost their first three games in 2007 and 2012 and managed to claw their way back into contention both times.


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Re: Saints don't lack desire or effort; they lack playmakers
 

Defense is young. maybe to young. The offense has yet to have all the new faces on the field at one time.

theme for 2015?

The saints need time to gel

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And more beef on the DL and OL, just to start...

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Too many mistakes.

Regardless of who's on the field.

That's what's led to 0-3.

I agree Payton had a solid game plan against Carolina and despite poor defensive play in the second half, almost got it done.

But if we want to avoid 0-4, get the mistakes under control.

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I agree to an extent.

We have a lot of talent on the team, but we do have some holes.
A big play WR to compliment Cooks. We thought we could get another year or two out of Colston, but he's been terrible.

We had a very good pass rusher who went whacko with a belt and twitter.

It appears age has caught up to a couple of our better linemen in Strief and Evans.

Hicks was a perfect DE/DT on paper, and apparently thats where it stayed.

Our best CB and best safety haven't played a game yet. Our 2nd best safety is out for the season after 1 game.

Yes, we do have issues.

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Yeah, it does suck come Nov/Dec/Jan/Feb when it's cold outside and your team's still losing, :lol:.

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Can't believe the Lions have the same record as the Saints right now.:confused:

Meanwhile, Jacksonville is in first place in their division.
NFL Standings: Division

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+1. I know we all want the current defense to look like Dome patrol but come on, these guys are super young ... here were my positives from yesterday.

Stephone Anthony - for the most part played well. I know he was flagged on that hit across the middle (I think they called defenseless) but the kid ain't playing. He is gonna lay your a@* out.

Kikaha - progressing, had a sack on that scam dude. Technique will develop I just didn't understand why Rob is putting him out in coverage.

Swann - swagger & confidence. Playing a tad better than his draft status.

Hopefully Saints FO get these guys some help on the Dline (position coaches & players).

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Our rookies are definitely looking good. with so much fail everywhere else, I guess that is a bright spot.

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Penalties like that might serve him well in the long run. WRs will see that on tape and crocodile arm balls because they gonna be scared.

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The O-line was better without Evans, I think they will be better the longer they play together. A big body sure handed WR is needed, the rest is fine. It's the D side where the problem is. When players look like kids running around on a playground at recess it's not hard to see the lack of disipline that has been installed in them.The lack of playmakers I'm calling B.S. on that, we have plenty on both sides of the ball. I blame the coach(Payton in particular) because it's his job to make sure his position coaches install this in the players and when those position coaches don't it reflects on him . I don't believe for 1 second Payton don't see this and knows what to do about it. But will his loyalty get in the way? Paytons a smart guy but he has some issues that lie not with the players but the staff he has assimbled around him. If he can't see it I'll tell you Payton, it's your entire D staff and the 2 headed monsters are Johnson and Vitt in particular with Allen right there with them. Ryan is in over his head with these 3 and do yourself a favor and let him go to.Rebuild your D staff and this team has a chance to rebound in the later part of the year and be strong next season if not take your medicine when the doctor comes calling.

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Arizona, I feel like was a possible win, with Tampa we had two fourth quarter turnovers that should have let us pull away, and in Carolina, without the punt return, we aren't in that either. We should be 1-2 maybe, but these teams that have beat us are not good and that speaks volumes.

However, this team could Gel, you see hints of it every game, we were the first team to go to the Superbowl finishing a season 0-3, who says they can't starting a season 0-3, stranger things have happened.

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They are tied for first place in a four way tie but the colts are the one with the lone division win thus far.

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Can we please get Lance back?

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Its bad coaching, that simple.

Defense is tackling, assignments, and execution.
We lack all 3 on defense, so the coaches have sucked, no excuses.

Offense is Blocking, assignments, and execution.
We lack execution.

these are the fundimentals as Belichick would say.

Doesnt matter if you have the best talent in the world, if you cant train him to do the basics in the NFL he will fail. I have never seen a saints defense that even looked that good or got the fundamentals sense 2006, including 2009. Its always been fingers crossed for us as fans.

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Why? He was mediocre when he was here and he's even worse in Detroit.

3 games, 6 catches for a whopping 46 yards.

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The amount of time people spend living in the past is hilarious.

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Is Terrance Copper available? What's Adrian Arrington doing?

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I believe it really is coming down to poor coaching.:pissed:

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Because the lions are not us. Stafford is not Brees and lance doen't get a bigger role with them like he had with us.

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I keep hearing about how young we are on defense, but as it pertains to this year, does that really matter? If we're trying to figure out what our chances are THIS year, then what we're seeing is a team that's a long way from being a playoff contender. If we're talking about next year, that's an entirely different subject.

But what about the offense? We're lacking in every position, and there are only a couple players who look to be future pieces. I've accepted it. It'll be what it'll be... But this roster, as it stands, is never getting us anywhere. Lot's of changes must and hopefully WILL be made.

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That picture with Damian Swann's reaction perfectly describes our reaction to this last year and this year.

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Young guys !!! They will get there.

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Different group from last year (x-Jordan) and they still can't tackle.
Still taking bad angles. Still can't cover.
Play makers make plays. They play in the moment.
They make the tackle and not whiff.
They actually close the deal on the "almost" sacks.
They make a play on the ball when it's in the air.
They actually make the interception when they end-up in the right place.
They make the catch when the ball hits both hands.
No one makes the tackle on every down.
But when the play is in your wheel house, that's the moment of truth.
We don't have enough of "those" players.
We don't need 22 of them. We only need about 4 of them on both sides of the ball.
Everyone else will feed off of them.
A lock-down corner pretty much takes 1/3 of the field away. Now only 2/3's need covering.
Good nose tackle locks up the center and a guard. LBs and DEs should benefit.
Good TE keeps the LBs and strong safety occupied. Opens up singles on the outside.
Good running back actually makes play action effective. (good being O-line dependent)
We have a good QB, that's not our problem.
We have some talent. Just not "enough" play making talent.
At least not yet.

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We definetely need another threat in the passing game. I still think Spiller will end up being a good player but unless we magically start running the ball better, all defenses have to do is stop Cooks.