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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Unfortunately, personality wise, Horn is right there with TO and Moss. IMHO, Moss is a better receiver...a touch faster, maybe a tad taller, pretty close in the hands department. TO and Horn, I\'m not sure who is the more talented, ...

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Old 02-12-2005, 12:20 PM   #21
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Joe Horn tells it like it is!

Unfortunately, personality wise, Horn is right there with TO and Moss. IMHO, Moss is a better receiver...a touch faster, maybe a tad taller, pretty close in the hands department. TO and Horn, I\'m not sure who is the more talented, it\'s close, very close. but TO would probably get the edge because of the age factor.

I don\'t think Horn should get any more slack than AB gets when it comes to the ego thing....but he does leave it all on the field. You gotta love that part.

I think that in the long run he will probably regret the statement about the fans.

And finally, I find his comment about comraderie interesting. Is he trying to tell us something? If he feels that it is so important, then how does he feel about his starting QB saying that he is great, and the rest of the team average? Just wondering out loud.
They didn\'t ask him anything about Qb, lets not sttart putting words in his mouth
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Old 02-12-2005, 12:41 PM   #22
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Joe Horn tells it like it is!

To GumboBC:

\"And you tell me that Brooks has proven himself to be an idiot when he criticizes the fans. And that shows how selfish he is.

But, when Joe Horn goes way above what Brooks has EVER said, (say\'s the fans need to stop whinning and complaining or the team needs to move where the fans support them) you\'re fine with that.\"

I agree 100% with WhoDats opinion....the difference between these two cases is that what Joe Horn said is TRUE (EVERYTHING) so it is easy to agree with him and not Brooks who is a total douschebag.

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First let me say, I\'m glad you express yourself the way you see fit. I love it..........

But, the Joe Horn comments, when compared to Brooks, are no different. In fact, what Horn said was worse!

Consider this:

1. Brooks said he was a great QB playing on a sub-par team.

You don\'t think Brooks is great, that\'s fine. But is he lying about playing on a sub-par team? I don\'t think so. So, all you got to criticize Brooks for is him calling himself a great QB.

2. Brooks said that fans don\'t support him. Or some only support him when the team is winning? What\'s not true about that? You may not like him ( I don\'t know) but that is as true a statement as you\'re going to find.

3. Joe Horn called out the fans directly and said if the fans don\'t start supporting the team and quit all the whinning and *****ing then the team needs to MOVE where there\'s more support!! What the hell is Joe talking about?!

4. No one is complaing about Joe Horn. Aaron Brooks receives the MOST criticism of ANY member of the Saints. Seems Brooks is handling it better than Horn, who fans are in love with.

5. If Aaron Brooks would have said what Joe said, this thread would be \"burning\" up with criticism.

6. Just becasue Joe has been to the probowl doesn\'t make him right!!

7. It doesn\'t bother me what any member of the team says. Whether they are playing well or not. Talk is cheap. I don\'t hang on every word anyone says.




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Old 02-12-2005, 12:54 PM   #23
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Oh, one more thing....

When Joe was asked why the team wasn\'t wining. Here\'s what Joe Horn had to say:

It\'s not the head coach. The head coach can\'t run routes, run the football. It\'s his personnel.
Joe Horn is directly calling out the rest of the team!! He\'s saying, it\'s not the coaches fault the rest of the team isn\'t perfoming the way they should.

Then Joe goes on to call himself the best receiver in the NFL. (Which he ain\'t. Not by a long shot!)

So, basically what Joe is saying is he\'s a great receiver playing on on bad team with a good coach!

Tell me where I\'m confused?
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Old 02-12-2005, 01:57 PM   #24
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I have been an Atlanta Braves fan for a long time and I know what I\'m talking about....I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year...I think they suck. I used to have interest in them the first 6 times they blew it but after 6 more...I could give a toot about them. I would probably feel the same way if I were an Eagles or Colts fan.
Haven\'t the Atlanta Braves won twelve division championships in a row? And now you hate them because of this? How can you possibly be a Saints fan?
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Old 02-12-2005, 02:11 PM   #25
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Consider this:

1. Brooks said he was a great QB playing on a sub-par team.

You don\'t think Brooks is great, that\'s fine. But is he lying about playing on a sub-par team? I don\'t think so. So, all you got to criticize Brooks for is him calling himself a great QB.
Do I think Brooks is a great QB? No, I think he has talent and could be if he had a heart.

Do I think this is a subpar team? No. It is noted time and again how much talent we have on the offensive side of the ball. Our def. is in need of some new players, but overall I wouldn\'t say that our team is below average.

I think that is one of the things that makes this statement by Brooks so bad. He is looking like a narcissistic jackass. (You know what? I feel like a total idiot. I\'ve been trying to figure out why everyone\'s been calling him Leon and it just hit me. That\'s pretty funny.)

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Old 02-12-2005, 02:19 PM   #26
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turbo, nice call in this alsaints character. I\'m a Braves fan too, and I love them every year.

alsaints, the fact you have to call names and crack jokes because of the dumb statement you made shows what level you are on, and it isn\'t mine. I really have no response to someone who would rather not makes the playoffs cause they are afraid of mistakes being made there. Why do you watch any sport? You don\'t support the Braves any more cause they don\'t win the world series every year? Division titles aren\'t enough so you jump off the banwagon? Hello Mr. Fairweather, why do you bother with the Saints then? hahahaha Dude, try again. You make outlandish statements and then when someone calls you on it, they are Ms. Cleo, which you spelled wrong, and you have to crack wise. Classic. Anyway, stay around, anyone who is afraid to make the playoffs and the SUPERBOWL for fear of mistakes being made is worth laughing at more than once.

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Old 02-12-2005, 03:28 PM   #27
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First off to GumboBC, I completely agree with everything you said before and after my post. I was just comparing the two statements and not talking about the whole picture. I agree that if Brooks said what Horn said people would be more outraged than they are. And if you look at just stats, Brooks\' stats are just as good as Horn\'s but his dumb mistakes have dug him a huge hole with fans. Again, I do agree with every single thing I have ever seen you post on this website...I\'m sure that will buy me lots of fans...like the several I\'ve just made in this one thread due to people putting their spin on my statements and misinterpreting me.

To saintswhodi:

Sorry I dont bother to run spell checker when I post on this or any other forum. I\'m not exactly typing a resume. It\'s a shame that these are the things you need to point out in order to throw water on the fire of my statements. As far as my Braves statement, once again you obviously are a fan of FOXNews because you twisted what I said into something completely different.

Example:

I said: I have been an Atlanta Braves fan for a long time and I know what I\'m talking about....I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year...I think they suck. I used to have interest in them the first 6 times they blew it but after 6 more...I could give a toot about them

You said: You don\'t support the Braves any more cause they don\'t win the world series every year? Division titles aren\'t enough so you jump off the banwagon? Hello Mr. Fairweather, why do you bother with the Saints then?

COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY wrong interpretation of my rather straightforward statement. All I meant was to clarify my previous statement which you misinterpreted (seems to be a pattern) by showing an example of how in another sport I in fact am a fan of a team that consistently chokes in the playoffs. I am not satisfied with one World Series in 13 STRAIGHT tries. That is just as pitiful as a handful of playoff appearances in 38 years. The difference is that is is MUCH MORE HEARTBREAKING to have 13 chances and blow 12 than it is to barely have any at all.

The difference in my lack of interest with the Braves as opposed to the Saints is this (and this is for turbo_dog too who was much more civil in his reply):

1.) I love football and like baseball...LOVE football.
2.) I absolutely LOVE the city and people of New Orleans and don\'t really have a reason to do the same for Atlanta...I don\'t have a wealth of family history (actually I have none) in Atlanta as I do in New Orleans. In fact once I finish my Ph.D. I will be moving there.

One last statement, I didn\'t make the more rude comments because I was \"being called on\" my \"outlandish statements\". If you notice, I\'ve consistently replied in this thread (and others) according to the type of response I get. If someone is going to reply in what I consider a very rude and ignorant matter (see your first reply to one of my posts here) than I return the favor. The opposite is true if you notice the way in which I have replied to GumboBC and I guarantee that this is not because I agree with him. If he replied to me in the sophomoric way in which you have, I would return the favor. If you notice all my rude replies have followed yours and been directed to you. My posts prior to your remarks were in no way rude, ignorant, or made to single anyone out. I\'m sorry if you disagree with my OPINIONS so much you need to call me outlandish, unreal, reply with WTF, and so on.

With that I think I have made myself clear and feel no more need to continue this ridiculousness. Though I am sure you will find something to SPIN in this particular post.
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Old 02-12-2005, 03:31 PM   #28
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I\'ve never heard you say ONE time that if Brooks would back it up on the field that you\'d be okay with him calling himself great. NEVER!!

And I\'ve never heard you say ONE time that you\'d okay with Brooks criticizing the fans if he would back it up on the field.

It wasn\'t unitl one of your favortie players (Joe Horn!) came out and said something worse than Brooks that you\'ve changed your stance.

What\'s that you call me? Flippidy Flop? Back at cha...
Billy - did you read my post? I\'m not surprised that you would make this about me having some grudge against Brooks. But let\'s examine your counter-argument, if you can call it an argument.

I HAVE said time and again that all AB needs to do to shut me up is play up to his potential. I\'ve said time and again that all he needs to do is be efficient, smart, and effective. You may say that I haven\'t, but I have. Further, it\'s really a moot point. Know why? B/c AB HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING TO PROVE IT. Has he?

If a guy is top 5 at a position in the league in which there are 64 starters, and probably over 100 guys who are active in games with regularity, I think he\'s earned the right to call himself great. Whereas, a guy who is normally 12th - 17th at a position in which there are only 32 active starters/players cannot.

The bottom line remains very simple. It is virtually impossible to make the argument that Joe Horn hurts the New Orleans Saints. In fact, it\'s hard to make the argument that he hasn\'t been the most consistent and explosive player for the team over the last 5 years. On the other hand, not only is it easy to suggest, but it is done over and over by professional analysts and scouts and coaches and even the fans, that Aaron Brooks has minimal positive impact on the team, if any at all. There is a serious question as to whether AB is valuable to the team or not.

Because you can\'t dispute that, b/c you did not dispute my argument that Horn does show up every week, where AB does not, that Horn is a team leader and AB is not, you must simply fall back on the - AB grudge argument. Sure Billy - I guess you have a Joe Horn grudge. Why do you hate Joe Horn, and why do you love AB unconditionally? Have you ever seriously suggested that AB isn\'t the best QB in the league?

Have you ever said that you would support Joe Horn if he kept going to the Pro Bowl?

You\'ve NEVER said Horn should be resigned and kept if he just keeps playing like a Pro Bowler. You\'ve wanted him cut or traded for 3 years.

Horn says that the fans should support the team, but you bash him for that. Huh?

I guess you\'re just a Horn hater.

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by WhoDat]

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Old 02-12-2005, 03:36 PM   #29
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To further clarify what I noticed could be further misinterpreted...

I said about the Braves: I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year...I think they suck.

To interpret for saintswhodi and anyone else: I have grown indifferent to the Braves and baseball as a whole because of 12 out of 13 years of choking. I am still a fan but think they suck.

I am also a fan of the Saints but it is clear they kind of suck too right now. I only hope, as a fan who can only stand by and watch things happen, that they can get back to their 2000 form (actually I would rather have their 1987-1991 form).
Being a bigger fan of football (much bigger) than baseball, I am more prone to cheer on the Saints each year in hopes of something better. I\'ll stop there in fear of having any more statements SPUN.
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Old 02-12-2005, 04:01 PM   #30
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And if you look at just stats, Brooks\' stats are just as good as Horn\'s but his dumb mistakes have dug him a huge hole with fans.
No, they\'re not. Not even close. I\'ve posted Horn\'s stats before. He\'s top 5 over the last 5 years. Brooks ain\'t even close, unless you want to look only at yards... oh, and fumbles.
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