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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Yep..team is effed, season is effed. Some tough changes have got to be coming but at this point, something drastic needs to be done....

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Old 10-11-2015, 10:46 PM   #11
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Yep..team is effed, season is effed. Some tough changes have got to be coming but at this point, something drastic needs to be done.
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:04 PM   #12
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...But if Payton was a bad HC why did we suck without him during 2012?
Cos Seany baby isn't the only bad coach? The krewe left behind to do the job was also not good.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:10 PM   #13
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I'm completely confused with our game-plan on offense.
Me, too. Did y'all know that Ingram has more touches (92) than every player on the offense besides Brees with the next closest KRob with 43?

Think about that. Mark Ingram is the center of our offense now.

With our patch-work NFL o-line and a running back who's claim to fame is running behind Bama's NFL-caliber o-line in college, we sit and wonder why we can't outscore anyone.
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:59 PM   #14
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OK. I'm willing to admit that the Saints have some room for improvement.

But it's nothing that good coaching can't fix. Sean needs a totally new posse.

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Old 10-13-2015, 04:19 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Halo View Post
OK so your QB is not 100%, even still bruised rotator cuff....
OK so the o-line has aged vets on that play about 75% of their potential from a few years ago...
OK so rookies are trying to rotate on your o-line...
OK so the WR talent poole is about 1/2 what it was even a year ago...

THEN Why come up with a gameplan that forces your QB to hold the ball for 10 seconds for a passing play to develop???

Why jeopardize your partially injured QB?
Why allow your o-line to be exploited drive after drive?
Why put your QB in situations where no one is open and he tries to force it!?

If you know your WR won't get separation, why put them in finesse patterns when timing patterns, slants and fades with quick release is what they can accomplish?

I'm completely confused with our game-plan on offense.
Is there any way to quadruple like this?
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Old 10-13-2015, 06:23 PM   #16
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Sean Payton is a great offensive mind. But I think he came up with some great ideas and hasn't really been innovative since. He just keeps trying to plug new guys into these same schemes. Defenses have caught up with this. Hell Malcolm Jenkins was reading his playbook all day. He knew exactly when we were running a screen, when we were running the ball. We are predictable in formation and personnel.

Sean just keeps trying to do the same things over and over but with lesser personnel and/or diminishing skills from key players.
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If you know your WR won't get separation, why put them in finesse patterns when timing patterns, slants and fades with quick release is what they can accomplish?

I'm completely confused with our game-plan on offense.
Well you'd be the only one confused. 31 other teams aren't confused at all.
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 View Post
Ingram is about to play easier run defenses coming up. Arizona, Carolina, and Philadelphia can stop the run. Dallas, Idk.
Oh, I get it...trust me, I get it. I'm just as confused & frustrated as some others are as to why Ingram is getting double the touches as KRob (92 to 43) and why in the wild-wide-world of sports has Spiller touched the ball only 20 times in 3 games? Reckon C.J. can't grasp the offense?

Ingram also is 2nd in receptions with 24...that is 1 behind Cooks' 25 receptions. That is how bad our receivers & tight ends are at getting open.

This offense is a hot mess. We rack up yards only when we're down 2 or 3 scores in the 4th, it seems. It sure pads them stats, though. Sorry for that, but ain't it kinda sad to keep Brees in there chunking it around 39-10 late in the 4th Quarter when you have Grayson on the sideline to develop for the future? Seems selfish on Payton's & Brees' part to me, but what do I know...

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Old 10-14-2015, 09:32 AM   #19
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Musings? here i thought i was going to chuckle. then Google informed me this was a very misleading word.

Defense is a shell of it's former self. Since Rob arrived he has gutted this defense since year 1. there are a ton of new faces each and every year. This is not baseball were you can go out and buy a title

Trades, free agents and cutting players have all resulted in defensive additions to this team at the expense of the offense.

So honestly if your adding players at the cost of offense so your defense gets better what do you think will happen to the offense?

When you get all these new pieces together over a 3 years period for this upgraded defense how long will it take for those individuals to function as a unit?

If after you give this new defense time to gel and you discover it is not working who is to blame?

Since the New England game in year one of Rob Ryan master minding a defense to bring us back to the promise land. It has been a downward spiral. The Pats will solve Rob and and Rob will not have an answer. But whats the point? I have said this even before that game.

Saint still are in denial. The simple fact is the NFL has bypassed Rob Ryan. They know him like the back of their own hand.

Yet i will sit back and pray a gut check will save this season Thursday night. If not I will sink farther back in my bark-o-lounger and mutter to my self.

"Give this team time to gel." "Give this team time to gel." "Give this team time to gel."

I will wait till Rob is gone or the season ends, and then and only then will I go of the per-verbal deep end. I will try

So once again I am to the point were I am left with no choice but to sit back and see what happens over the course of a season.

"Give this team time to gel." "Give this team time to gel." "Give this team time to gel."

"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

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Old 10-14-2015, 10:57 AM   #20
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All this talk about Sean losing his creativity. All this talk about Sean being predictable. Some truth to it, but how much of the NFL is trickery and how much is just lining up against the other guy and beating him?


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