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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I read that Kelley and it\'s applicable. Maybe we can trade him to AZ for Boldin or something like that. I\'d even take Chambers from Miami for him....

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Old 02-14-2005, 03:29 PM   #11
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I read that Kelley and it\'s applicable. Maybe we can trade him to AZ for Boldin or something like that. I\'d even take Chambers from Miami for him.
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Old 02-14-2005, 03:32 PM   #12
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Like a Portis/Bailey swap.

I know the Ravens are switching to the 4-3 next year. Hmmmm.
Fortunately there are many teams that would love to have Howard on their team. I imagine we\'ll be inundated with all kinds of offers. Most will be crap but you never know when someone may want to part with a stud DT/CB/MLB/OLB/SS/FS.
We are in the unfortunate position of being able to trade Howard for a comparable player at 6 different defensive positions and 6 or 7 offensive positions and/or draft picks.
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I think Mark Clayton will be a BUST. As much as I get to see OU since they are in the Big 12, he has done some nice things but never been overly impressive or dominating. Edwards I definitely like and would love if we could get him. Same with Williams. He is just a beast. IF we got Clayton in the 3rd, which won\'t happen, that still won\'t be enough to satisfy replacing Joe. If we have to replace Joe, we have to do it with a stud early, or we can be pretty sure we won\'t get the same value. If we do trade Joe, you can be sure WR will be addresses early on, no matter what we do or don\'t address in free agency.
Was it Mike Williams that scouts worried would get too big too fast, lose some speed and eventually have to switch to TE? It may have been Reggie Williams they said that about but I thought it was Mike.
How fast did Mike time last year?
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It may have been Mike, he is a big dude. Mike was timed in the 4.5, 4.6 range, but so was Jerry Rice. He was never known to have a weight problem at USC, he is just big. I mean 6\'5\" 230-235, is not your typical WR. But from watching him at USC, he was hard as hell to tackle and made more plays breaking tackles than probably any receiver in college football. Plus IMO, we already have two blazing speed guys so that wouldn\'t be his job. His job would be to move the chains, and win jump balls in the end zone. I can understand because of his size where there would be weight concerns, but like I said I never heard of him having a problem in college with it. As far as I understand, he is a very motivated kid with a strong work ethic.

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Old 02-14-2005, 03:55 PM   #15
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Here you go Danno:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2005/..._williams.html

Mike Williams is a truly unique talent. In just two seasons at USC, he became the school’s all time leader in touchdown catches with 30, and ranks 4th on the all time reception list with 176. There may not be a better physical specimen in the entire draft.

Williams decided to declare for the draft after the Maurice Clarett situation, and it ended up costing him football this season. He was not allowed to enter the draft and was not allowed back in by the NCAA. Williams did hold a workout for NFL scouts last year, and by most accounts, it was very impressive. Williams checked in at 6’4 5/8� and 228 pounds, while also posting a 4.56 40 time and a 37� vertical jump.


On the football field, very few play as hard and physical as Williams. He is unique because his biggest asset as a football player is his physical nature and strength, which is not what you typically see in a wide receiver. He is not afraid to go over the middle, and will make the difficult grab look routine. There is not a corner in football that can stop Williams in a one on one situation. With his combination of size, jumping ability, and strength, Williams will win out 9 times out of 10 against even the most physical of corners in the league. Williams gets off the line easy, as he has excellent use of his hands, and the strength allows him to toss aside the corner before he can be neutralized. If there is a receiver with better hands than Williams, I haven’t seen him play yet. Mike is going to be a major force in the red zone from his first snap in an NFL game. Mike also happens to be a very good blocker in the run game, and runs very precise routes. He works very hard on every aspect of the game, and it shows on the football field.

The only knock I can see with Williams is his lack of pure deep speed. He does not possess great speed, but it is not something that will hold him back in the NFL. With his size and jumping ability, he can be a downfield threat. USC utilized him a lot on wide receiver screens, and on routes underneath that allowed him to rack up yards after the catch. He’ll never be considered a blazer, but he is not slow by any means. Some people believe the layoff will hurt Williams, but I do not believe it will. He’s a hard worker, and will be working on every facet of his game for NFL teams. He takes a very mature approach to football, and he will be ready come training camp.

I see Williams as a bigger, more athletic version of Cris Carter. All he does is catch touchdowns, and at 6’5 230, he’s going to catch a lot of them. As long as Williams duplicates the numbers he posted in workouts last year, he will be the first wide receiver off the board in this draft.
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saintswhodi i didnt read all of the posts on here so im not sure what direction the post took but i really loved your idea of getting williams. i really dont want to see joe go but he has no more then two or three years left. no matter what you say about the guy he has been consistent and he is the best wo we have ever had. martin has to go second. i do think joe has been one of the top 5 wo\'s over the last few years. i hope we can sign him. and maybe also get williams. that would be just ridiculous. but if not i like your idea of williams. that kid is going to be a great player in this league. i was just reading an article on him in espn the mg. that he has been working out with michael irvin on his route running. is there anyway we can give joe some high bonus money and have the last three years of his contract be heavy on the salary cap. just wondering if there are any options. well good post saintswhodi

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Old 02-14-2005, 06:20 PM   #17
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Thanks spk, but we only got on Williams cause we spoke of the possibility of Joe wanting crazy money, and if he did, we would have to go in another direction. Danno also pointed out that Joe having this monster year may have given him enough value for us to get something decent for him. I agreed with that. I fhis salary demands are too high, we need to trade him, and Mike Williams could fill the void. He is a freak. And with the success of receivers like Michael Clayton, Roy Williams, Boldin, Colbert all in their first year, the WR position is developing faster in the NFL. Williams is ready IMO.
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Old 02-14-2005, 06:29 PM   #18
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oh i agree 100%. with certain receivers the development has been dramatically reduced. i think without doubt he is one of those players. i hope he slips this year because of the one year layoff and we go and get him. but i dont expect joe to come back. i hope and pray we find away but it just doesnt seem feasible. but either way i would love to get williams.
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40 times are over rated... look what Boldin did his rookie season in Arizona... he dropped in the draft because he ran a 4.6... look what Michael Clayton has done his rookie year also... he also ran a 4.5/4.6...

Game speed is so much more different than straight line speed. Mike Williams will be a monster.
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Old 02-14-2005, 06:37 PM   #20
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oh papz your so right. look at henderson. he didnt even play this year. but from what i read in espn mag. this month mike has ben running a 4.43 on a fast track. but anyway you look at it speed has nothing to do with it until you play the game. then all of the track times can be thrown out. game speed is much different. this guy can just play. if he falls in the draft how long can you wait to take a shot. if we put a second on henderson then how long do we wait to get williams

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