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Old 10-21-2015, 11:53 PM   #1
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Payton concerned about Saints' run game, run defense
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Old 10-22-2015, 12:04 AM   #2
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really? that is a shock. OL beat to heck and no real depth to fill in? worried? i do not get it. 1 yard and a cloud of dust is our moto.

look no one fears our WR and TE so 8 in the box it is. Stop the run against a patch worked OL is simple as pie in defensive game planning.

Run defense? whats that? DL gets pushed all over the field so gap assignments is shot to ......

I feel for the LB when it comes to filling a moving hole that is jumping all over the place.

Saints are building a pass rush first or at least that appears to be what they are trying to do. IMO that is totally backwards. I thought it was stop the run first. I must be nuts

what the heck cut whats left of any players that have played for us in the front 7. continuity is and has been out the window for a while. load up with rookies and UDFA, that always works, for the cap that is.

never mind wait for 2017 ..... wait for 2017 ..... wait for 2017 .....

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Re: Payton Concerned About Saints Run Game.

Look's like the lights are slowly coming back on in Coach Payton's head.
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Just his way of saying he's getting tired of Rob Ryan.

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really? that is a shock. OL beat to heck and no real depth to fill in? worried? i do not get it. 1 yard and a cloud of dust is our moto.

look no one fears our WR and TE so 8 in the box it is. Stop the run against a patch worked OL is simple as pie in defensive game planning.
Big problem is that the running is predictable yet inconcistent. If Ingram is in there it will probably be between the tackles with him trying to cut back and fail in doing so.

Robinson will try to take it to the outside but we most likely won't be able to set an edge.

Spiller..who knows?

I would start out by giving the Ball to Ingram 25 times per game. Really see what he could do with it when given the chance. I think he need to pound it a lot to finally open holes and burst longer runs.

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Re: Payton Concerned About Saints Run Game.

There is one thing about the running game that a lot of people here have commented on, and when you view the play-by-play of the games (like when they're listed in a box score) it is REALLY very apparent. So many times, the play-by-play will be like, first Ingram runs for a good gain, like maybe 7 or 10 yards. Then the next running play, Robinson gets 1 yard. OR vice versa -- Robinson gets a big huge chunk, then Ingram comes in a couple of plays later and gets nothing. The switching around of the backs (and the lack of momentum it creates) is REALLY noticeable when you go back and look at the play-by-plays in the box scores in the games this year. Anytime somebody gets a hot hand and breaks a big gain, the next back usually gets almost nothing or a loss.

It's getting so I'm starting to dread the whole thing on offense where after a play, there's the big long pause, and then you see five or six guys come out and five or six new guys go in, after EVERY play. It kills the momentum and lets the defense adjust to whatever they see.


I don't know if anybody else saw this at the game, but the Falcons had assistant coaches who were watching the Saints substitutions. And they would have 3 or 4 defensive guys standing around ready to go in (a lot of times these guys not even on the chalk on the sidelines, several times they were actually out on the field, almost by the numbers, waiting to run into the field). And they would watch who the Saints sent in on offense, and then run their defensive personel out onto the field to match. Probably 19 plays out of every 20, the Falcons waited and sent in their defense AFTER the Saints had their offense already in the huddle, and they'd seen who was in the game.

If that doesn't tell you the Saints playcalling is too obvious, I don't know what will.
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Big problem is that the running is predictable yet inconcistent. If Ingram is in there it will probably be between the tackles with him trying to cut back and fail in doing so.

Robinson will try to take it to the outside but we most likely won't be able to set an edge.

Spiller..who knows?

I would start out by giving the Ball to Ingram 25 times per game. Really see what he could do with it when given the chance. I think he need to pound it a lot to finally open holes and burst longer runs.
He carried the ball 20 times last week for about 40 yds.

We need to get rid of the zone blocking scheme. Then we need to start running out of less predictable formations. It's that simple. The zone blocking scheme has been a complete failure.
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Predictable Formations. You said it. Try running from spread offense at least occaisionally. Love the screens but a draw also works sometimes. Complicated offense... Well, many formations but each practically predictable especially the run.
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Re: Payton Concerned About Saints Run Game.

Hurray. Payton was woken up from a 5 year play-calling nap.
Signs of life last week with the rollouts, quick passes, and PA's.
This week apparently we will not be running Ingram on a dive play on EVERY first down.

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Re: Payton Concerned About Saints Run Game.

Why do you think Ingram is doing so well in the passing game? Been saying this for 3 years, when Ingram is in the game defenses know 90% of the time it's a run up the gut. Switch it up a bit and run out of the spread, dump off more passes to Ingram and maybe on occasion toss it wide to him. Until we have road grading guards again like Evans and Nicks were in their prime, running between the tackles won't net us much.
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