Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot

AlaskaSaints · 10-26-2015, 12:28 PM

When was the last time we were held to ZERO points in the second half. Forgive me, but I can't remember that.

We were absolutely ONE possession away from tragedy.

RaginCajun83 · 10-26-2015, 12:45 PM

didn't like the conservative, p***y play calling in the second half. In the past, Payton would of kept the gas pedal down and they would of won by 28 not holding on for dear life to escape against a mediocre team like yesterday

saintsfan1976 · 10-26-2015, 12:55 PM

I think it was less about conservative playcalling and more of taking what was given to us and not being able to execute until later in the half.

Rugby Saint II · 10-26-2015, 01:01 PM

How about RR learning how to make half time adjustments?

44Champs · 10-26-2015, 01:36 PM

I'm happy to get the win. But the one thing that really pi$$es me of are those damn screen plays on 3rd down. Note To Payton: Pierre Thomas doesnt live here anymore!

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jlouhill · 10-26-2015, 02:29 PM

All in all if Breaux doesn't fall down twice the Colts wouldn't have made it as close as they did. However, if the O had actually come out of the locker room in the second half we wouldn't have had to worry about Breaux falling down twice because those 14 points wouldn't have meant squat.

Budsdrinker · 10-26-2015, 02:41 PM

I wouldn't say conservative but when the Colts got the pick in the endzone,
their defense and crowd came alive coupled with the 2 long TD's they clearly had momentum. The game would have been over had either Hill not push off
on his catch or Snead not dropped the pass or Brees not throwing the pick.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-26-2015, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Two things stood out for me today. 1) Sean Payton relocating his "gunslinger gear" and 2) playing like we are satisfied with a 3 score lead ( aka NOT going for the kill shot ).

After 2009, Sean Payton seemed to lose his gambler-mode. It's back and, I think, it is inspiring confidence. I didn't like the challenges today ( especially the first one ) -- but to me it just signaled how committed Payton was to win at any cost and Payton trying to do everything he could.

Re: #2: I have seen this again and again with the Saints -- we jump out to a lead, even a comfortable lead, and then, we take our foot off the gas. It is SUPER ANNOYING. We did not do that in 2009 and I seem to remember us not doing that in the years running up to the Super Bowl win. We need to remember how to do that. This BS is about the offense's performance and play calling. Letting another team hang around is stupid.

I argue with my brother on pretty much a daily basis about #2. He is the ultra-conservative who would have wanted the Saints to run the ball on every play in the second half. I am the realist, who simply does not believe that Payton has the patience to do that.

But my brother did make a observation that makes sense to me. If the Saints are going to run a 4 minute offense and run the ball, why not go fully Heavy Jumbo: three tight ends and a fullback?

The continue problem I see with the team in the end game is lack of first downs and limited time off the clock. Why bother with receivers and slot guys if you plan to run the ball anyway to drain the clock? Just overload 8 linemen on the left side and push the line 4 yards in each play.

That then opens up the ultimate play action. Brees can boot out the back door with Johnson, or one of the tight ends coming across in a crossing route.

Effectively it's the goal line offense from the 1 yard line.

Why not run that every play in the 4th quarter when you are up by 10?

SFIAH

WHODATINCA · 10-26-2015, 08:15 PM

@SFIAH -- Hmmm...interesting point of view. It's fine if you are actually getting the firsts. But, what I have seen is we don't. Then, we just give the ball back. In years when we have had a sh!tty D -- this strategy has choke written all over it. And, for my money, I'd much rather we risk losing by stepping on the gas -- than go down whimpering and rolling over -- after getting up by 10 or more.

WHODATINCA · 10-26-2015, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by jlouhill

All in all if Breaux doesn't fall down twice the Colts wouldn't have made it as close as they did. However, if the O had actually come out of the locker room in the second half we wouldn't have had to worry about Breaux falling down twice because those 14 points wouldn't have meant squat.

Agreed but, it's hard to be mad at the guy. He is a major reason we have some hope this season. Without him probably 1 - 6.

And, what about our offense making some adjustments to their defense during the second half? I know there's got to be a precedent somewhere for that.

10-26-2015, 12:28 PM	#11
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot When was the last time we were held to ZERO points in the second half. Forgive me, but I can't remember that. We were absolutely ONE possession away from tragedy. jeanpierre likes this.

10-26-2015, 12:45 PM	#12
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot didn't like the conservative, p***y play calling in the second half. In the past, Payton would of kept the gas pedal down and they would of won by 28 not holding on for dear life to escape against a mediocre team like yesterday

10-26-2015, 12:55 PM	#13
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,534 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot I think it was less about conservative playcalling and more of taking what was given to us and not being able to execute until later in the half.

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44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot I'm happy to get the win. But the one thing that really pi$$es me of are those damn screen plays on 3rd down. Note To Payton: Pierre Thomas doesnt live here anymore! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk mleg1972, jlouhill and WHODATINCA like this.
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10-26-2015, 02:29 PM	#16
jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 676	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot All in all if Breaux doesn't fall down twice the Colts wouldn't have made it as close as they did. However, if the O had actually come out of the locker room in the second half we wouldn't have had to worry about Breaux falling down twice because those 14 points wouldn't have meant squat. mleg1972 likes this.

10-26-2015, 02:41 PM	#17
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot I wouldn't say conservative but when the Colts got the pick in the endzone, their defense and crowd came alive coupled with the 2 long TD's they clearly had momentum. The game would have been over had either Hill not push off on his catch or Snead not dropped the pass or Brees not throwing the pick.

10-26-2015, 03:23 PM	#18
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Two things stood out for me today. 1) Sean Payton relocating his "gunslinger gear" and 2) playing like we are satisfied with a 3 score lead ( aka NOT going for the kill shot ). After 2009, Sean Payton seemed to lose his gambler-mode. It's back and, I think, it is inspiring confidence. I didn't like the challenges today ( especially the first one ) -- but to me it just signaled how committed Payton was to win at any cost and Payton trying to do everything he could. Re: #2: I have seen this again and again with the Saints -- we jump out to a lead, even a comfortable lead, and then, we take our foot off the gas. It is SUPER ANNOYING. We did not do that in 2009 and I seem to remember us not doing that in the years running up to the Super Bowl win. We need to remember how to do that. This BS is about the offense's performance and play calling. Letting another team hang around is stupid. I argue with my brother on pretty much a daily basis about #2. He is the ultra-conservative who would have wanted the Saints to run the ball on every play in the second half. I am the realist, who simply does not believe that Payton has the patience to do that. But my brother did make a observation that makes sense to me. If the Saints are going to run a 4 minute offense and run the ball, why not go fully Heavy Jumbo: three tight ends and a fullback? The continue problem I see with the team in the end game is lack of first downs and limited time off the clock. Why bother with receivers and slot guys if you plan to run the ball anyway to drain the clock? Just overload 8 linemen on the left side and push the line 4 yards in each play. That then opens up the ultimate play action. Brees can boot out the back door with Johnson, or one of the tight ends coming across in a crossing route. Effectively it's the goal line offense from the 1 yard line. Why not run that every play in the 4th quarter when you are up by 10? SFIAH
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10-26-2015, 08:15 PM	#19
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot @SFIAH -- Hmmm...interesting point of view. It's fine if you are actually getting the firsts. But, what I have seen is we don't. Then, we just give the ball back. In years when we have had a sh!tty D -- this strategy has choke written all over it. And, for my money, I'd much rather we risk losing by stepping on the gas -- than go down whimpering and rolling over -- after getting up by 10 or more.

10-26-2015, 08:20 PM	#20
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot Originally Posted by jlouhill All in all if Breaux doesn't fall down twice the Colts wouldn't have made it as close as they did. However, if the O had actually come out of the locker room in the second half we wouldn't have had to worry about Breaux falling down twice because those 14 points wouldn't have meant squat. Agreed but, it's hard to be mad at the guy. He is a major reason we have some hope this season. Without him probably 1 - 6. And, what about our offense making some adjustments to their defense during the second half? I know there's got to be a precedent somewhere for that.

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