The Real Question about the Defense...

mikesaintfan · 11-18-2015, 08:50 AM

Need to pressure the QB...period..
Even the best QB's can be knocked off their game, but we need hits on the QB...
Without a true stud in the middle(which we don't have) I think we need to play 4-3...
The 4 down lineman have to generate some pass rush by themselves so we can blitz less.. Kikaha and Jordan together is a good start but we need major help in the midle..preferably in the mold of Hand and Glover...
Anthony needs to be flanked by some speed and let the LB's fly to the ball..

leilung · 11-18-2015, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

What they do or what I would like to see? What I would like to see is a switch to a 3-4 and let the lb.ers crash in(blitz) and see who needs to stay and who needs to go on the front line and lbers. Our front 7 hasn't played well for awhile and unless Suh is coming to town tomorrow they aint. Switching now lets us see what we need on those 2 lines then I think our secondary(with Browner) would be hard to contend with. Worst comes to worst we get a great top 5 pick out of the deal. Win, win in my book.

How can a 3-4 work without a load to play NT? Just curious as to what is to be accomplished by throwing an already confused D into more confusion.

CharityMike · 11-18-2015, 10:49 AM

If we go mainly zone, we are screwed. We don't have the speed to pull it off. We need to play good ole fashion man but that requires the safetys to get there heads out there ass. You can only dumb down a defensive scheme so much. I don't think that is the answer.

IMO the answer is and always has been, the front 7. If we get no pressure, we are screwed, I.E. Titans, Giants, Skins. They keep trying to dumb things down when the problem is the front 7. They seem unmotivated most of time. Which leads to the next assistant who needs to be fired and should have been fired a long time ago.

Danno · 11-18-2015, 10:58 AM

Cam Jordan
John Jenkins
Kevin Williams
Bobby Richardson

That screams 4-3.

dizzle88 · 11-18-2015, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Cam Jordan
John Jenkins
Kevin Williams
Bobby Richardson

That screams 4-3.

Out of that bunch only Cam can play both

He played 3-4 all throughout college and with us in 2013, he still managed 12.5 sacks whilst fighting through double teams.

Rugby Saint II · 11-18-2015, 11:56 AM

We will roll with the 4-3. We don't have a true NT to stuff the middle and get pressure in the backfield. We also, don't have enough healthy quality LB'ers to run a 3-4 either. Browner needs to play the same role that NE and Seattle used him in. Maybe they should study some film on him before he came here and utilize him the same.

lumm0x · 11-18-2015, 01:39 PM

If we can get healthy on defense I would rather we put the 11 best athletes on the field. I would think that this translates into a big nickel or big dime type scheme.

Breaux and Lewis are good man cover guys. Byrd plays the 1 high safety responsible to the over the top and range. Browner and Vaccaro both play in the box responsible for short zones on either side of the field with TE jams or RB/FB flat responsibility. Stephone Anthony has to be the seek and destroy run stuffer. Kikaha is a full time blitzer/end contain on one side and the line is as above: Jordan/Williams/Jenkins/Richardson.

I think our depth at secondary out weighs our depth and talent at LBer. And if teams want to favour the run in a passing league then dare them to do so. I would hope we improve in that area and just get people in the backfield to force things rather than just continually get picked apart like a carcass.

11-18-2015, 08:50 AM	#21
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Re: The Real Question about the Defense... Need to pressure the QB...period.. Even the best QB's can be knocked off their game, but we need hits on the QB... Without a true stud in the middle(which we don't have) I think we need to play 4-3... The 4 down lineman have to generate some pass rush by themselves so we can blitz less.. Kikaha and Jordan together is a good start but we need major help in the midle..preferably in the mold of Hand and Glover... Anthony needs to be flanked by some speed and let the LB's fly to the ball.. hagan714 and leilung like this.
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11-18-2015, 10:06 AM	#22
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,148	Re: The Real Question about the Defense... Originally Posted by halloween 65 What they do or what I would like to see? What I would like to see is a switch to a 3-4 and let the lb.ers crash in(blitz) and see who needs to stay and who needs to go on the front line and lbers. Our front 7 hasn't played well for awhile and unless Suh is coming to town tomorrow they aint. Switching now lets us see what we need on those 2 lines then I think our secondary(with Browner) would be hard to contend with. Worst comes to worst we get a great top 5 pick out of the deal. Win, win in my book. How can a 3-4 work without a load to play NT? Just curious as to what is to be accomplished by throwing an already confused D into more confusion. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-18-2015, 10:49 AM	#23
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: The Real Question about the Defense... If we go mainly zone, we are screwed. We don't have the speed to pull it off. We need to play good ole fashion man but that requires the safetys to get there heads out there ass. You can only dumb down a defensive scheme so much. I don't think that is the answer. IMO the answer is and always has been, the front 7. If we get no pressure, we are screwed, I.E. Titans, Giants, Skins. They keep trying to dumb things down when the problem is the front 7. They seem unmotivated most of time. Which leads to the next assistant who needs to be fired and should have been fired a long time ago.

11-18-2015, 10:58 AM	#24
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: The Real Question about the Defense... Cam Jordan John Jenkins Kevin Williams Bobby Richardson That screams 4-3.

11-18-2015, 11:30 AM	#25
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: The Real Question about the Defense... Originally Posted by Danno Cam Jordan John Jenkins Kevin Williams Bobby Richardson That screams 4-3. Out of that bunch only Cam can play both He played 3-4 all throughout college and with us in 2013, he still managed 12.5 sacks whilst fighting through double teams.

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11-18-2015, 11:56 AM	#26
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,725	Re: The Real Question about the Defense... We will roll with the 4-3. We don't have a true NT to stuff the middle and get pressure in the backfield. We also, don't have enough healthy quality LB'ers to run a 3-4 either. Browner needs to play the same role that NE and Seattle used him in. Maybe they should study some film on him before he came here and utilize him the same.

11-18-2015, 01:39 PM	#27
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: The Real Question about the Defense... If we can get healthy on defense I would rather we put the 11 best athletes on the field. I would think that this translates into a big nickel or big dime type scheme. Breaux and Lewis are good man cover guys. Byrd plays the 1 high safety responsible to the over the top and range. Browner and Vaccaro both play in the box responsible for short zones on either side of the field with TE jams or RB/FB flat responsibility. Stephone Anthony has to be the seek and destroy run stuffer. Kikaha is a full time blitzer/end contain on one side and the line is as above: Jordan/Williams/Jenkins/Richardson. I think our depth at secondary out weighs our depth and talent at LBer. And if teams want to favour the run in a passing league then dare them to do so. I would hope we improve in that area and just get people in the backfield to force things rather than just continually get picked apart like a carcass.

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