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Old 02-19-2005, 03:12 PM   #21
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Watch out Tay, comments like that will get you labeled. Especially on this board. Welcome though.
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Old 02-19-2005, 03:14 PM   #22
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Yeah Tay........watch the Bashing
already a gang of \"haters\" up in here.
Welcome though......
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Old 02-19-2005, 03:16 PM   #23
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My position on Brooks is simple, WhoDat.

In 2003 Brooks had a PRO-BOWL year. He passed for 3546 yards/24TDs/8ints/59.1 comp. %/Passer Rating: 88.8

I don\'t care who you are ... that\'s a great year.

If you want to say Brooks\' fumbles erased all of that. That\'s fine. But, I\'m not ready to throw Brooks off the team for it.

If you want to use this year to throw Brooks off the team, I don\'t see it. He played behind a terrible offensive line, had the 27th ranked rushing attack, and a defense that couldn\'t stop anyone.

To make this short, I don\'t give a crap about Brooks saying he\'s a top 5 QB. He\'s not getting top 5 money. I don\'t expect Brooks to be superman, either. What I want to see is the problems around Brooks fixed and see how he does.

For eveyone talking about how awful McCarthy\'s offense was, none of you ever say it hurt Brooks? How can that be?

I\'m not dumb. I might not be the smartest person in the world, but I know when some folks aren\'t being fair.

I\'m not talking about you. Just to some folks. I\'m not saying you don\'t have some good points. I just don\'t see where they outweigh my points...
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55-59% isn\'t bad either. Bledsoe was a turnover machine. J.P. was drafted in the first round to be the quarterback of the future. Of course Bledsoe needed to be replaced. Why pay this first round x amount of dollars to ride the pine? Why pay Bledsoe x amount of dollars to throw picks or backup J.P.? He was aging and his skills are diminishing which is not the case with AB. I might not like having him as our qb, but he is very serviceable.

I have this feeling AB will have a very good year. I bet that if AB were to lead us to a playoff game, and perhaps even make it to the ProBowl, a lot of people in here will be biting their tongue and hop right back on the AB bandwagon. I\'m pretty sure no one gave Drew Brees a chance when Rivers was drafted... and next thing you know everyone is like LET\'S TRADE FOR BREES... OMGOMG HE\'S SO GOOD.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

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Old 02-19-2005, 03:33 PM   #25
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I\'m not saying that they necessarily do. Obviously, I believe they do b/c it\'s my opinion. But you\'re just as entitled to yours.

You\'re also right that AB had a good year in 2003. To say that his league leading fumbles were irrelevant is unfair, but that doesn\'t erase his other good numbers. But then, this is why I feel there\'s always something with Brooks. There\'s always a catch - always an \"if\". IF he could just stop throwing off his back foot. If he could stop fumbling. If he could learn to throw with touch. If, if, if....

I mean, it\'s telling that the one year he finally puts it all together throwing the ball, he also leads the league in fumbles.

You may also feel that what AB says is irrelevant. I don\'t care what the guy says, unless it hurts the team. I think he\'s done that.

For example: He held-out and demanded a new contract. OK, fine, he deserved it. Then he claimed to be a top-5 QB in the NFL and demanded a salary equal to that. The Saints gave him one.

In 2001, he finished 19th in QB rating.
In 2002, he finished 20th in QB rating.
In 2003, he finished 8th in QB rating.
In 2004 he finished 19th in QB rating.

So, for starters, I see 2003 as the anomoly, not the norm. Secondly, even if you argue that his contract is no longer top 5, which it isn\'t, it certainly isn\'t 15th or 20th. Bottom line: the Saints aren\'t getting what they pay him for. If you paid good money for a new car that was always breaking down, wouldn\'t you be pissed? I bet you would - that\'s why I can\'t understand why you don\'t demand more of the guy. To you, it seems that saying AB isn\'t earning his keep means you\'re saying that he is the ONE and ONLY problem with the team. He\'s not, and I\'m not suggesting that. The LBs and Ts may be our biggest problem this offseason - does that mean you think we should ignore S or DT? No, of course not. But you do think we should ignore AB. I disagree. We need to find a replacement. I mean, people are complaining about Joe Horn\'s $5 million dollar contract and he\'s been to the Pro Bowl 4 times in 5 years. Brooks makes $6 million a year and he\'s never been selected (though he did show up as an alternate one year). That just seems assinine to me.

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Old 02-19-2005, 03:36 PM   #26
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Dam Pappy!
You just struck gold....I feel the same way.......AB should have a breakout year if players rally around him and strive to
redeem themselves(horrible few years)......on that same note..Aaron needs to shut the hell up, stop whining and let his actions speak for him......The bandwagon pulls out in September..
ALLLLLL ABOARDDDDDDD!!!!!
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Old 02-19-2005, 03:45 PM   #27
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WhoDat --

I just want to clear a couple of things up...

Why do you hold it against Brooks that he held out? And said he was one of the top QBs in the NFL to get the big money. That\'s exactly what I would have done.

Football is a business, also. On any job, you get what you can get and you do whatever you have to to get it. Regardless of popular opinion... Brooks is no fool. And Brooks certainly isn\'t the first NFL player to hold out and demand the big money. Hell, Joe wants to be paid like Marvion Harrison. All stats aside, Joe is out of his mind, but I damn sure don\'t blame him for trying.

Part 2:

I think this year was the anomoly. Every year Brooks improved in the passing game. Even put up pro-bowl numbers in 2003.

2001- Progressed
2002- Progressed
2003 - Progressed
2004 - Regressed

What happend to the trend? I say it was mainly the offensive line. And Deuce being hurt made us the most predictable offense in the NFL. Pass Pass Pass. Brooks passed the ball more than any other QB in the NFL.

That\'s my take.


[Edited on 19/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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Old 02-19-2005, 04:11 PM   #28
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\"I mean, people are complaining about Joe Horn\'s $5 million dollar contract and he\'s been to the Pro Bowl 4 times in 5 years.\"

Name one person that has complained about him making 5 million a year. Certainly not me if you are implying that. As I recall it was about getting a 3-4 million dollar pay raise. Get your facts straight.

Bandwagon doesn\'t start yet chaching. Only if Brooks have a good year then they will be back on his balls. Then everyone will probably deny anything they\'ve ever said about him. I can pretty much see it now... \"I knew he could do it!\"

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Old 02-19-2005, 04:28 PM   #29
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JKool --

To be perfectly honest with you, I\'m over dreaming about what the offense is capiable of.

They aren\'t capiable of blocking on the offensive line. And that hurts everything else. IF we can fix that, then yeah, I\'ll start to believe. But our pass blocking problems didn\'t just start this year. They\'ve been awful for 2-years. I said it 2 years ago and I said it this past year. And I haven\'t seen anything that\'s been corrected yet. And I\'m still waiting on Donte\'. All I see is Horn, Deuce, and Brooks. And their playing with a terrible offensive line.

On defense, we\'ve got Charles Grant, Darren Howard, Will Smith, and Mike McKenzie. That\'s a lot of talent. Then we\'ve got other players who are very capiable. Like .... Colby Bockwaldt, Tebucky Jones, Brian Young, and Fakir Brown.

Yeah, there are weak spots. But, I truly believe that \"scheming\" has been the big problem. I think Haslett has had enough of Venturi. I really think our defense might be ahead of our offense next year. Yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but I\'m sticking with it...
Now let me call your attention to another post from Mr. Gumbo.

But, if we get some offensive linemen, I think Sheppard has a real shot of getting this high-powered offense on track. I don\'t think finishing in the top 5 is unrealistic. IF the offensive line is fixed.

The defense is another story. I think it\'s about middle of the pack in terms of talent. I like the direction the scheme is headed.
Well which is it Gumbo? I guess it depends on which argument your trying to win at the time.
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Old 02-19-2005, 04:43 PM   #30
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Well which is it Gumbo? I guess it depends on which argument your trying to win at the time.
What\'s up, Mr. Dog?

There is a lot of talent on the defense. But, in relation to the the top defenses in the NFL, we\'re about middle of the pack.

What I meant is that we have the talent to play much better on defense, but not enough to be a top 10-defense.

What say you...Dog?
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