Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

So much has been made on this board regarding AB's turnovers. Some say he's regressed. Here ya go boys. I'm going to give you the FACTS and let some of you chew on this for a while!!


Aaron Brooks interceptions: 16
Trent Green interceptions: 17
Brett Favre interceptions: 17
Matt Hasselbeck interceptions: 15
Tom Brady interceptions: 14
Mark Bulger interceptions: 14
Jake Delhomme interceptions: 14

Aaron Brooks fublems lost: 2
Jake Delhomme fumbles lost: 5
Tom Brady fumbles lost: 5
Trent Green fumbles lost: 4
Matt Hasselbeck fumbles lost: 1
Brett Favre total fumbles lost: 1

Aaron Brooks total turnovers: 18
Brett Favre total turnovers: 18
Jake Delhomme total turnovers: 19
Tom Brady total turnovers: 19
Trent Green total turnovers: 21
Matt Haselbeck total turnovers: 16

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

The only real problem with AB is the first quarter and goal line situations. He tends to go three and out and fumble on the 1 yard line one too many times. Talent, ability, blah blah and all that good stuff, but he needs to concentrate better. He has too many mental lapses and I think with Sheppard simplifying the offense, he should improve. I mean he puts up good numbers every year, just cut down on stupid mistakes.

I swear if we ever managed to get 7 points in the first quarter, we\'d become that high powered offense like a couple of years ago with McCarthy and Brooks at the helm.

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I think the goal line problems AB has is a complete myth. But, check it out for yourself:


1st and goal: 2TD and 0ints./ QB Rating: 84.5 / Fumbles lost = 0

2nd and goal: 5TD and 2ints/ QB Rating: 64.6 / Fumbles lost = 0

3rd down and goal: 1TD and 0ints/ QB Rating: 98.6/ Fumbles lost= 0

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Come on Brooks\' bashers or haters. Where ya at?

I\'ve proven Brooks doesn\'t turn the ball over anymore than some of the best QBs in the NFL.

What cha got? :P

[Edited on 19/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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Those numbers are retarded. I\'ve watched 2 games in which Brooks fumbled on a goal line sneak. And you know what... why don\'t you go find our redzone touchdown ratios while you are at it? I\'m pretty sure you won\'t because I bet it was horrible.

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The numbers are correct. 100% accurate. I checked and I double checked. Brooks only lost 2 fumbles all year. He also rushed for 2 TDs in goal-line situations!!

I can\'t find stats for redzone turnovers. I wish I could. I\'d like to compare him with other QBs.

Just giving ya the facts, papz.

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Those stats have at least one flaw which appears right away. Refer to the first quarter of the game against Arizona. I beleive the Saints were only down three. AB tried to sneak the ball in from the goal-line, exposed it and got it knocked away. The Cards recovered and we never regained momentum. So your facts are incorrect. Brooks had AT LEATS one fumble in the red zone this year.
Also, let\'s look at more stats.
Trent Green 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Brett Favre 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Matt Hasselbeck 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Tom Brady 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Mark Bulger 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Jake Delhomme 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: 0
Aaron Brooks 25 yard backward passes to a lineman: One to many

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How many times did he fumble? 3rd and 1 4th and 1... he fumbles and turnover on downs. That did happened. Trust me there might be a lot of good, but there is also a lot of bad things. He fumbled 13 times and lost 2. Those fumbles obviously resulted in lost of down, bonehead loss of yardage, etc... which in my book is bad enough. 16 interceptions with 13 fumbles does not bold well. Like I said before, I except him under our new system to return to his OLD OLD form. Maybe if he used his legs a big more, like he did his first season here, it will also help him not make bonehead plays.

The previous season he fumbled 14 times and lost 11.

RED ZONE OFFENSIVE STATS
Team Yds per
Play Yds per
Drive Time of
Poss TD % FG % T/O % Points
SD 7.2 57 3:51 69% 20% 6% 5.5
SEA 7.0 58 3:46 62% 34% 4% 5.3
PHI 7.9 59 3:43 66% 20% 11% 5.2
KC 6.9 60 4:12 67% 15% 10% 5.2
NE 6.6 58 4:08 59% 32% 6% 5.1
IND 7.8 60 3:33 63% 22% 7% 5.1
CAR 6.8 52 3:23 60% 31% 1% 5.1
NYJ 6.9 56 4:08 59% 28% 4% 5.0
BAL 5.8 45 3:29 51% 43% 0% 4.8
GB 7.1 61 3:52 57% 26% 7% 4.8
WAS 6.0 54 4:29 53% 37% 4% 4.8
HOU 6.6 58 4:17 60% 20% 9% 4.8
MIN 7.1 66 4:32 57% 22% 10% 4.7
ATL 6.8 59 4:04 55% 30% 8% 4.7
TEN 6.6 56 3:59 55% 24% 11% 4.6
STL 6.7 65 4:39 54% 28% 9% 4.6
CIN 6.2 48 3:27 51% 33% 7% 4.6
DAL 6.2 53 4:14 52% 30% 10% 4.5
DEN 7.2 60 3:51 48% 36% 10% 4.5
NO 7.1 55 3:27 57% 19% 14% 4.5
OAK 6.9 56 3:33 50% 35% 10% 4.5
PIT 6.3 53 4:17 49% 36% 1% 4.5
SF 5.9 56 4:07 51% 33% 7% 4.5
TB 6.3 55 4:28 52% 27% 7% 4.5
BUF 5.9 44 3:20 47% 37% 6% 4.4
CLE 6.4 49 3:42 46% 39% 9% 4.4
DET 7.0 57 3:34 45% 42% 4% 4.4
NYG 6.8 55 3:50 50% 28% 11% 4.3
ARI 6.5 51 3:40 48% 29% 16% 4.2
MIA 6.0 47 3:13 47% 28% 10% 4.1
JAX 6.1 58 4:27 42% 40% 4% 4.1
CHI 5.9 46 3:26 43% 24% 21% 3.7
NFL 6.7 55 3:54 55% 29% 8% 4.7

Redzone stats for ya... league average 4.7 points per redzone chance. We are 4.5. If we cut down a couple of those fumbles and picks, we should be back up in the 5\'s easily.

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

I don\'t know way it is stared out, but p***** means passes

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

Where did you get your info, BC?

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

thanks

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

Oh yea 4.5 ranks in at the bottom half of the league. What matters most are points scored, and Brooks hasn\'t been doing that great.

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

well, gumbo, i\'ll put it like this.... all those other qb\'s with more interceptions and crap, yeah, ALL of them led their team to the playoffs at least once in the past 4 years (same # of seasons ab has been qb).... i\'m not a brooks basher, but i do believe that proof is in the pudding, and i believe i speak on behalf of the entire saint nation when i ask when is enough enough? the last 3 season all i\'ve heard from the media, coaches, and even this board is, \'well, once he finds his consistency he\'ll be great and lead us to the promised land\' (that sort of garbage) and yet no playoffs.... i\'m not saying the king of new orleans (so he thinks) is all to blame, but facts are facts and even though he puts up great numbers (can\'t debate ya there), he fails miserably as the leader this team needs to catapult them to the top of the NFC south

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What\'s up chRxis ?

I just can never understand why some folks thinks Brooks is going to LEAD us anywhere with the defense we\'ve got.

How realistic is it to think we\'re gonna make the playoffs with the 32nd ranked defense.

Even if we did somehow manage to squeak in, we\'d get bounced out so quick it\'d make your head swim....

No one wants to look at the terribly weak areas that are surronding Brooks. I\'m telling ya, I think this team is overrated as a whole.

Great speed at the receiving spots. But besides Joe Horn, it\'s not much else there but speed.

Great runningback in Deuce. WHEN healthy.

Terrible offensive line.

Terrible defense.

Brooks would need to be Mike Vick to get this team to the playoffs.


[Edited on 19/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

2003 - KC Chiefs. Defensive rank: 28th. They made the playoffs, no?

How has Indy\'s defense been? Minnesota\'s?


Look - you\'re right that the defense is a much bigger concern and it needs to get better before the Saints can go anywhere. But if your point is that b/c the defense is a big problem that Aaron Brooks is therefore not a problem at all, then your logic is flawed. The Saints should focus on defense, but that doesn\'t mean that finding a replacement for Brooks isn\'t a good idea and something that will need to be done sooner or later.

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

I don\'t think AB is anymore of a problem than a lot of other players. And I don\'t think he\'s a big of a problem as the offensive line or defense. And I believe if those things are corrected that Brooks will be just fine.

In terms of \"problems\" , Brooks is WAY down on my list.

Where\'s Brooks\' at on your list?

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

Who in here said he was going to lead us anywhere without improving? Aren\'t you in this thread supporting Brooks by comparing his stats to other qb\'s? How in the world is this 8-8 team every year over rated by any means? At which position is team over rated in? No one wants to look at the weak areas surrounding Brooks? Are you joking me? The whole forum criticizes every aspect on our team. You aren\'t making any sense.

Our defense is the main problem of this team... not AB, well at least not entirely him. One injured year from Deuce and you make it seem as if he\'s injury-prone. One bad year from our line and now it\'s absolutely terrible. Try not to over exaggerate it so bad. I can show you at least 10 teams who are in much worse positions then we are because unlike other teams, we have talent here.

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

papz --

My comments are in no way directed at you.

But, there are folks in here who blame Brooks almost entirely!

That\'s the folks I\'m speaking of.

Given the fact that there\'s so many Brooks\' threads, it just goes to show you how much of a problem some folks thinks he is.

How many \"let\'s fix the defense\" threads do you see in comparison to \"Brooks Sucks\" threads? Staring to see my point?

I keep getting told that Brooks is a major problem and that\'s the BIGGEST thing that needs to be corrected. Surly you\'ve read some of the same stuff I have?

Oh, our offensive line has sucked at PASS blocking for the last 2 years. And they\'ve sucked at holding and jumping offsides the past 2 years. I\'m not exagerating one-bit. They suck.

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I just have to ask this question. If AB is as great as he says he is, why is it that our offense cannot maintain a sustained drive to keep our porous defense off the field? Does this mean it\'s the other 10 players fault?

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:P

I feel ya. But remember the season before this Deuce ran for over 1300 yards and Brooks had his best year. So it really wasn\'t as bad as you make it seem. Jerry made a big difference and it showed this year when we didn\'t have him.

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It means the responsibility (or blame) is shared.

Brooks deserves some blame.
Deuce deserves some blame.
The receivers deserve some blame.
The offensive linemen deserve some blame.
The tightends deserves some blame.

To say AB is the main contributor is a bit unfair, IMO. I don\'t think the play of Brooks outweighs the other 10 guys ... NO.

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I\'m starting to wonder what I think about tihs whole \"teams with worse defenses made the playoffs\" thing.

First, they barely made the playoffs and their record was the same as ours (or only slightly better).

Second, how many of those teams with terrible defenses played in the Super Bowl. Um, none. Do we just want to make the playoffs or do we want to make a team that can win the SB?

Maybe I\'m off base here, but I was just thinking about it.

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Aren\'t a lot of those threads started by you? If so, what could I conclude after reading the above statement?

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

I\'ll have you to know that I\'ve never started a thread to bash Brooks. :D

I start some to correct y\'alls skewed logic. I bring nothing but facts to the table. Well, more facts than most. :P

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i\'m on my way out for the evening n dont have time to debate but in scanning i didnt see it mentioned that brooks did fumble 13 times last year. i think they have drills now for recovery since he does it so much. therefore they dont lose as many, only 2 lost.
fumbles lost or recovered-
2001- 13
2002- 10
2003- 14
2004- 13
consistent in one aspect of the game anyway

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Watch more than ONE QB, would ya?! ;)

Jake Delhomme
2003 -15
2004 -12

Tom Brady
2001- 12
2002- 7
2003 -13
2004- 7

Brooks needs to cut his fumbles down, but he certainly isn\'t alone....

Daunte Culpepper
2001- 16
2002- 21
2003 -15
2004- 9

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Gonna help you out real quick Gumbo...

\"2003 - KC Chiefs. Defensive rank: 28th. They made the playoffs, no?
How has Indy\'s defense been? Minnesota\'s?\"

Have they made it to a Superbowl? Having a #1 offense and getting booted out the playoffs is good? Obviously Brooks isn\'t as big of a concern as some people make it out to be.

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But he\'s great by his own admission! So why can\'t HE sustain a drive? The guy has talent, no doubt, so what\'s up with all this greatness? Where does it go when the drive stalls? You know what they say about crazy people. It\'s not me that\'s crazy, it\'s all the rest of you!

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

Well...........

In the game of football each team has 11 players on both offense and defense.

The offensive line consists of a C, LT, RT, LG, and RG. Their job is to keep the defenders off of the QB.

There\'s usually a FB and RB in the backfield. Their job is to block and run the football.

A TE is also usually on the field...

.........do I have to keep going???? ;)

Come on Joe ... What are you suggesting? Brooks never said he was great enough to get it done by himself. Why are some of you so hung up on what Brooks says?

Brooks thinks he\'s a great QB. And?



[Edited on 20/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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gumbo i whole heartedly agree that football is a team game and that all the individual parts should work in concert to produce the best results....when one part or more than one part does not do their job, then the team as a whole suffers, however i do believe that brooks could VASTLY improve his game... yes, he has the stats, but he does not have the consistency.... i know all about the o-line problems, but i\'ve been (as we all have) that brooks, even with great blocking, rarely puts the ball in a spot that is condusive to an easy catch, with his ball either sailing on him or reaching the receiver at their feet.... i\'m just saying i\'m really tired of hoping that this year will be the year for this kid, but i really think that the aaron brooks project should be aborted.... he showed tremendous promise in 2000, but turned up to be a disappointment as a team leader, which is very important considering the position he plays...

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BC.....also, you comment on the fact that there aren\'t as many bad defense forums or any other than Brooks. One question, how can so many be so wrong and yet you be right. The number of Brooks posts is a tribute to the fact that he is the big concern. You are Brooks blind........i bet he was handed the 10 commandments, turned water into wine, fed the multitudes with 5 loaves and 2 fishes. Wrong......Mora said it best SUCK SUCK SUCK. Now go lay down and take a laxative.

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in the past, i was an avid brooks supporter, but his inconsistency and lack of motivation on the field has not only irritated me and fellow fans alike, but really shown me the character of a guy that most fans, including me from time to time, call \"leon\".... i\'m in the utmost favor of cutting ties with him due to the fact that we\'ve been told one thing about the kid, and he consistently fails to deliver wins.... you have to place some of the culpability on brooks himself, although i know that you will vehemently deny the fact that the other parts of the offense are equally to blame.... fact is, they aren\'t... with the exception of brooks, riley, gandy, and boo, the offense rarely plays uninspired....

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

Thanks for pointing that out... What??? :help:

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

subguy :clap:

Brooks turnovers. How does he stack up?
 

i commend gumbo for being a steadfast supporter of brooks... there is nothing wrong with that.... my only objection, and don\'t go taking this personal gumbo, is that brooks is almost allowed to go blameless due to his \"stats\".... what does not measure up is that fact that he is not the leader that we need at that position, evident by the fact that he does not know the playbook all that well, plays with no incentive whatsoever, and his win loss record will attest to that... that can\'t be debated.... you can bring up the stats, and it sounds great, but at the end of the day, for all of his stats, he has never (and probably will never) led HIS team to the playoffs.... and make no mistake about it, the team does belong to the qb, let\'s not kid ourselves....

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What I\'m suggesting is..... that until AB learns to walk on water, he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. Let he who is without sin...... you know the rest. Right now he is no better than average. Yes he has potential, just as almost all the rest of the team does but you don\'t hear anyone else blowing their own horn do you? The only one that does has been to the Pro Bowl quite often lately. There\'s no doubt that AB has talent as I\'ve said but this guy is just to immature. He\'s had time to grow up but he just hasn\'t. He needs to learn to lead by example and not say a word. My Dad always told me\"Never tell anyone what you can do, go out and show them.\" I have lived by that rule all my life. It\'s the quiet ones you have to watch.

P.S. And yes Billy Boy I do know what positions there are on a football team. I played for a few years myself. So save the condescending remarks for someone else. I\'M NOT IMPRESSED.

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Geeez... Lighten up JoeSam. I was only joking with you.

You asked my why AB can\'t sustain a drive on his own. I\'m sure you new that was a pretty outrageous statement before you made it.

If you had a beef with AB saying he was a great QB, then why not just come out and say it instead of beating around the bush. I wish AB wouldn\'t get frustrated and say some things that he said.

But, like you say... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

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No. That\'s Brooks fault. Because Brooks isn\'t as great as he says he is. And Brooks is compounding the problem by running his yap.

On lack of sustained drives everyone gets some of the blame. Brooks primary contributions to the problem are not taking off when nothing is open downfield and trying to force balls in when he could take what the defense gives.

McCarthy and his playcalling and formation, the line ineffective blocking, receiver drops, and penalties, penalties, and penalties all contributed too.

But Brooks certainly isn\'t as good as he spouts off.

SFIAH

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Off base?
OFF BASE?
OFF BASE!!!??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!!

Someone has it as their tag line: Defense wins Championships.

You are right on target.

SFIAH