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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Quarterbacks Defensive Ends 1. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts 1. Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis Colts 2. Tom Brady, New England Patriots 2. Richard Seymour, New England Patriots 3. Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles 3. Julius Peppers, Carolina Panthers 4. Daunte Culpepper, Minnesota Vikings ...

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Old 02-21-2005, 04:53 PM   #1
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Quarterbacks Defensive Ends
1. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts 1. Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis Colts
2. Tom Brady, New England Patriots 2. Richard Seymour, New England Patriots
3. Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles 3. Julius Peppers, Carolina Panthers
4. Daunte Culpepper, Minnesota Vikings 4. Jason Taylor, Miami Dolphins
5. Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers 5. Michael Strahan, New York Giants
6. Michael Vick, Atlanta Falcons 6. Simeon Rice, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7. Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans 7. Jevon Kearse, Philadelphia Eagles
8. Trent Green, Kansas City Chiefs 8. Patrick Kerney, Atlanta Falcons
9. Chad Pennington, New York Jets 9. Leonard Little, St. Louis Rams
10. Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle Seahawks 10. Charles Grant, New Orleans Saints
11. David Carr, Houston Texans 11. Trevor Pryce, Denver Broncos
12. Marc Bulger, St. Louis Rams 12. Shaun Ellis, New York Jets
13. Drew Brees, San Diego Chargers 13. Bertrand Berry, Arizona Cardinals
14. Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers 14. Aaron Schobel, Buffalo Bills
15. Byron Leftwich, Jacksonville Jaguars 15. Aaron Smith, Pittsburgh Steelers






Running Backs Defensive Tackles
1. LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego Chargers 1. Shaun Rogers, Detroit Lions
2. Deuce McAllister, New Orleans Saints 2. Kris Jenkins, Carolina Panthers
3. Jamal Lewis, Baltimore Ravens 3. Kevin Williams, Minnesota Vikings
4. Shaun Alexander, Seattle Seahawks 4. Marcus Stroud, Jacksonville Jaguars
5. Edgerrin James, Indianapolis Colts 5. Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers
6. Ahman Green, Green Bay Packers 6. John Henderson, Jacksonville Jaguars
7. Priest Holmes, Kansas City Chiefs 7. Anthony McFarland, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
8. Clinton Portis, Washington Redskins 8. Jamal Williams, San Diego Chargers
9. Curtis Martin, New York Jets 9. Kevin Carter, Tennessee Titans
10. Fred Taylor, Jacksonville Jaguars 10. Corey Simon, Philadelphia Eagles
11. Corey Dillon, New England Patriots 11. La'Roi Glover, Dallas Cowboys
12. Tiki Barber, New York Giants 12. Cornelius Griffin, Washington Redskins
13. Willis McGahee, Buffalo Bills 13. Rod Coleman, Atlanta Falcons
14. Marshall Faulk, St. Louis Rams 14. Bryant Young, San Francisco 49'ers
15. Brian Westbrook, Philadelphia Eagles 15. Albert Haynesworth, Tennessee Titans






Fullbacks Outside Linebackers
1. Tony Richardson, Kansas City Chiefs 1. Keith Bulluck, Tennessee Titans
2. Lorenzo Neal, San Diego Chargers 2. Julian Peterson, San Francisco 49'ers
3. Fred Beasley, San Francisco 49'ers 3. Takeo Spikes, Buffalo Bills
4. Williams Henderson, Green Bay Packers 4. Derrick Brooks, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5. Cory Schlesinger, Detroit Lions 5. Keith Brooking, Atlanta Falcons
6. Dan Kreider, Pittsburgh Steelers 6. Joey Porter, Pittsburgh Steelers
7. Mack Strong, Seattle Seahawks 7. LaVar Arrington, Washington Redskins
8. Bryan Johnson, Chicago Bears 8. Peter Boulware, Baltimore Ravens
9. Mike Alstott, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9. Marcus Washington, Washington Redskins
10. Terrell Smith, Cleveland Browns 10. Anthony Simmons, Seattle Seahawks
11. Terrell Suggs, Baltimore Ravens
12. Brian Simmons, Cincinnati Bengals
13. Mike Vrabel, New England Patriots
14. Dexter Coakley, Dallas Cowboys
15. Mark Fields, Carolina Panthers






Wide Receivers Inside Linebackers
1. Terrell Owens, Philadelphia Eagles 1. Ray Lewis, Baltimore Ravens
2. Randy Moss, Minnesota Vikings 2. James Farrior, Pittsburgh Steelers
3. Torry Holt, St. Louis Rams 3. Tedy Bruschi, New England Patriots
4. Chad Johnson, Cincinnati Bengals 4. Zach Thomas, Miami Dolphins
5. Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis Colts 5. Brian Urlacher, Chicago Bears
6. Andre Johnson, Houston Texans 6. Donnie Edwards, San Diego Chargers
7. Javon Walker, Green Bay Packers 7. Al Wilson, Denver Broncos
8. Hines Ward, Pittsburgh Steelers 8. Edgerton Hartwell, Baltimore Ravens
9. Darrell Jackson, Seattle Seahawks 9. Dan Morgan, Carolina Panthers
10. Chris Chambers, Miami Dolphins 10. Jeremiah Trotter, Philadelphia Eagles
11. Joe Horn, New Orleans Saints 11. Mike Peterson, Jacksonville Jaguars
12. Laveranues Coles, Washington Redskins 12. Jamie Sharper, Houston Texans
13. Eric Moulds, Buffalo Bills 13. London Fletcher, Buffalo Bills
14. Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis Colts 14. Jonathan Vilma, New York Jets
15. Muhsin Muhammad, Carolina Panthers 15. Nick Barnett, Green Bay Packers






Tight Ends Cornerbacks
1. Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City Chiefs 1. Champ Bailey, Denver Broncos
2. Todd Heap, Baltimore Ravens 2. Chris McAlister, Baltimore Ravens
3. Antonio Gates, San Diego Chargers 3. Ty Law, New England Patriots
4. Alge Crumpler, Atlanta Falcons 4. Charles Woodson, Oakland Raiders
5. Jeremy Shockey, New York Giants 5. Nate Clements, Buffalo Bills
6. Eric Johnson, San Francisco 49'ers 6. Fred Smoot, Washington Redskins
7. Jason Witten, Dallas Cowboys 7. Patrick Surtain, Miami Dolphins
8. Randy McMichael, Miami Dolphins 8. Antoine Winfield, Minnesota Vikings
9. Bubba Franks, Green Bay Packers 9. Andre Dyson, Tennessee Titans
10. Jim Kleinsasser, Minnesota Vikings 10. Shawn Springs, Washington Redskins
11. Marcus Pollard, Indianapolis Colts 11. Samari Rolle, Tennessee Titans
12. Freddie Jones, Arizona Cardinals 12. Dre' Bly, Detroit Lions
13. Erron Kinney, Tennessee Titans 13. Ronde Barber, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
14. L.J. Smith, Philadelphia Eagles 14. Aaron Glenn, Houston Texans
15. Daniel Graham, New England Patriots 15. Marcus Trufant, Seattle Seahawks






Offensive Tackles Safeties
1. Orlando Pace, St. Louis Rams 1. Ed Reed, Baltimore Ravens
2. Jonathan Ogden, Baltimore Ravens 2. Brian Dawkins, Philadelphia Eagles
3. Walter Jones, Seattle Seahawks 3. Roy Williams, Dallas Cowboys
4. Willie Anderson, Cincinnati Bengals 4. Rodney Harrison, New England Patriots
5. Tarik Glenn, Indianapolis Colts 5. Sean Taylor, Washington Redskins
6. Willie Roaf, Kansas City Chiefs 6. Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Steelers
7. Flozell Adams, Dallas Cowboys 7. Adrian Wilson, Arizona Cardinals
8. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia Eagles 8. Mike Brown, Chicago Bears
9. Marvel Smith, Pittsburgh Steelers 9. Darren Sharper, Green Bay Packers
10. Victor Riley, New Orleans Saints 10. Lawyer Milloy, Buffalo Bills
11. Matt Light, New England Patriots 11. Donovin Darius, Jacksonville Jaguars
12. Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers 12. Tony Parrish, San Francisco 49'ers
13. Levi Jones, Cincinnati Bengals 13. Michael Lewis, Philadelphia Eagles
14. Jordan Gross, Carolina Panthers 14. Adam Archuleta, St. Louis Rams
15. Leonard Davis, Arizona Cardinals 15. Eugene Wilson, New England Patriots






Offensive Guards Kickers
1. Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh Steelers 1. Adam Vinatieri, New England Patriots
2. Steve Hutchinson, Seattle Seahawks 2. David Akers, Philadelphia Eagles
3. Will Shields, Kansas City Chiefs 3. Ryan Longwell, Green Bay Packers
4. Mike Wahle, Green Bay Packers 4. Mike Vanderjagt, Indianapolis Colts
5. Brian Waters, Kansas City Chiefs 5. Jason Elam, Denver Broncos
6. Larry Allen, Dallas Cowboys 6. Matt Stover, Baltimore Ravens
7. Marco Rivera, Green Bay Packers 7. Sebastian Janikowski, Oakland Raiders
8. Randy Thomas, Washington Redskins 8. Jason Hanson, Detroit Lions
9. Damien Woody, Detroit Lions 9. Phil Dawson, Cleveland Browns
10. Adam Timmerman, St. Louis Rams 10. Jeff Reed, Pittsburgh Steelers
11. Benji Olson, Tennessee Titans
12. Edwin Mulitalo, Baltimore Ravens
13. Chris Villarrial, Buffalo Bills
14. Toniu Fonoti, San Diego Chargers
15. Eric Steinbach, Cincinnati Bengals






Centers Punters
1. Kevin Mawae, New York Jets 1. Shane Lechler, Oakland Raiders
2. Olin Kreutz, Chicago Bears 2. Todd Sauerbrun, Carolina Panthers
3. Matt Birk, Minnesota Vikings 3. Mitch Berger, New Orleans Saints
4. Jeff Hartings, Pittsburgh Steelers 4. Chris Hanson, Jacksonville Jaguars
5. Jeremy Newberry, San Francisco 49'ers 5. Craig Hentrich, Tennessee Titans
6. Mike Flanagan, Green Bay Packers 6. Brad Maynard, Chicago Bears
7. LeCharles Bentley, New Orleans Saints 7. Brian Moorman, Buffalo Bills
8. Jeff Saturday, Indianapolis Colts 8. Hunter Smith, Indianapolis Colts
9. Casey Wiegmann, Kansas City Chiefs 9. Scott Player, Arizona Cardinals
10. Tom Nalen, Denver Broncos 10. Tom Tupa, Washington Redskins





Head Coaches Coordinators
1. Bill Belichick, New England Patriots 1. Al Saunders, Kansas City Chiefs
2. Bill Parcells, Dallas Cowboys 2. Monte Kiffin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3. Bill Cowher, Pittsburgh Steelers 3. Gregg Williams, Washington Redskins
4. Jon Gruden, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4. Brad Childress, Philadelphia Eagles
5. Dick Vermeil, Kansas City Chiefs 5. Jim Johnson, Philadelphia Eagles
6. Jeff Fisher, Tennessee Titans 6. Dick LeBeau, Pittsburgh Steelers
7. Marty Schottenheimer, San Diego Chargers 7. Jerry Gray, Buffalo Bills
8. Andy Reid, Philadelphia Eagles 8. Tom Moore, Indianapolis Colts
9. John Fox, Carolina Panthers 9. Mike Heimerdinger, New York Jets
10. Brian Billick, Baltimore Ravens 10. Scott Linehan, Miami Dolphins




Top 50 Overall
1. Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis Colts
2. Ray Lewis, ILB, Baltimore Ravens
3. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, San Diego Chargers
4. Tom Brady, QB, New England Patriots
5. Orlando Pace, OT, St. Louis Rams
6. Terrell Owens, WR, Philadelphia Eagles
7. Jon Ogden, OT, Baltimore Ravens
8. Ed Reed, S, Baltimore Ravens
9. Randy Moss, WR, Minnesota Vikings
10. Donovan McNabb, QB, Philadelphia Eagles
11. Dwight Freeney, DE, Indianapolis Colts
12. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos
13. Richard Seymour, DE, New England Patriots
14. Daunte Culpepper, QB, Minnesota Vikings
15. Tony Gonzalez, TE, Kansas City Chiefs
16. Walter Jones, OT, Seattle Seahawks
17. Julius Peppers, DE, Carolina Panthers
18. Keith Bulluck, OLB, Tennessee Titans
19. Shaun Rogers, DT, Detroit Lions
20. Kris Jenkins, DT, Carolina Panthers
21. Deuce McAllister, RB, New Orleans Saints
22. Alan Faneca, OG, Pittsburgh Steelers
23. Chris McAlister, CB, Baltimore Ravens
24. Jamal Lewis, RB, Baltimore Ravens
25. Brett Favre, QB, Green Bay Packers
26. Michael Vick, QB, Atlanta Falcons
27. Jason Taylor, DE, Miami Dolphins
28. Torry Holt, WR, St. Louis Rams
29. Michael Strahan, DE, New York Giants
30. Shaun Alexander, RB, Seattle Seahawks
31. Todd Heap, TE, Baltimore Ravens
32. Kevin Williams, DT, Minnesota Vikings
33. Kevin Mawae, C, New York Jets
34. Steve Hutchinson, OG, Seattle Seahawks
35. Ty Law, CB, New England Patriots
36. Edgerrin James, RB, Indianapolis Colts
37. Will Shields, OG, Kansas City Chiefs
38. Chad Johnson, WR, Cincinnati Bengals
39. Steve McNair, QB, Tennessee Titans
40. Ahmad Green, RB, Green Bay Packers
41. Marvin Harrison, WR, Indianapolis Colts
42. Brian Dawkins, S, Philadelphia Eagles
43. Antonio Gates, TE, San Diego Chargers
44. Simeon Rice, DE, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
45. Marcus Stroud, DT, Jacksonville Jaguars
46. Julian Peterson, OLB, San Francisco 49'ers
47. Roy Williams, S, Dallas Cowboys
48. Priest Holmes, RB, Kansas City Chiefs
49. James Farrior, ILB, Pittsburgh Steelers
50. Adam Vinatieri, K, New England Patriots

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/fea...flplayers.html


What I notice
1. Our quarterback is not on that list
2. We have 1 defensive plyer in the top 15 at their position
3. We don't have a singul coach OR coordinator in the top 15
4. We only have 6 players in the top 15 of their position
5. We only have 1 player in the leagues top 50.

For anyone that was curious as to why the Saints are underacheiving, I am here to tell you that they aren't. As much as it pains me to say this, the saints simply aren't a good football team yet. I think the key to fixing that is to get a top notch coach that will fix our player personal problems and elevate our players preformance. We also need some playmakers on D. Having one player in the top 15 at their position is ridicolous.
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