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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Halo We're shy a biscuit at a few positions on defense. When Ellerbe comes in, our defense is tons better. Not that he's the best, but seems like we constantly play missing an experienced player at a ...

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Old 12-14-2015, 12:15 PM   #21
 
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We're shy a biscuit at a few positions on defense. When Ellerbe comes in, our defense is tons better. Not that he's the best, but seems like we constantly play missing an experienced player at a position and the opponents expose it.
So we don't fire Dennis Allen just yet ...
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Old 12-14-2015, 12:24 PM   #22
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Effort has really improved. I think many guys didn't want to say it but they were showing it. They had quit on Ryan and he had quit on them. He wasn't talking to players on the sidelines, he wasn't coaching anyone up during a game. He was hiding behind his call sheet and nothing more. Only a handful were playing all out and most of those were rookies or guys fighting for jobs.

I am not sold that the whole change is Allen or just the guys want to play for themselves again now.

Yesterday, as impressive as many 3 and outs were there was still glaring lack of discipline, terrible blitzing (Bucs manned 99% of our blitzes to no pressure) and gashing run plays were had chances to stop. Lots of hits rather than tackles where they gained significant yards after contact. But the effort is way better and a welcome change.

If we change HC and GM we will have a new DC regardless.
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Ryan was scapegoat and it appeared as though he was kept on leash not allowed to really run the defense. Offense was just as offensive through the rough patch and left us in bad situations. Ellerby, Kikaha injuries really hurt, not to mention all the other injuries. Allen was coaching (supposedly collaborating) on the same defense. I would like to see entirely new defensive coaches. Payton needs to go fishing for a few months after the season.
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Ryan was scapegoat and it appeared as though he was kept on leash not allowed to really run the defense. Offense was just as offensive through the rough patch and left us in bad situations. Ellerby, Kikaha injuries really hurt, not to mention all the other injuries. Allen was coaching (supposedly collaborating) on the same defense. I would like to see entirely new defensive coaches. Payton needs to go fishing for a few months after the season.
Scapegoat?? Ryan's horrible record as a DC for 14 years speaks for itself. Look it up.

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Old 12-14-2015, 02:29 PM   #25
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Not buying the scapegoat arguement either...

Look if he was any good at being a DC he would have fixed the problem last year... it only got worse.

His record hasn't been a good one... he took over good D's and kept them good for a short while and then they fell apart and he was out. He doesn't have a record of fixing a problem so its justified cutting him loose now. Because in the off season he won't correct the problem then either.
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Old 12-14-2015, 02:32 PM   #26
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I say this off season we kick some tires and shake some trees to see who we could get to come in and do something with out D.

I don't think there is going to be much out there that is going to make a huge difference and if that holds then Allen is coaching for for a job the rest of the season.
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I think Allen is earning the right to throw his name in the hat to interview for DC next year. Nothing more.
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