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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Anyone have the stats on how many 3 and out our defense caused and also opponents scoring on first drive?...

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Old 02-23-2005, 08:38 AM   #31
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3 and outs made our defense look bad?

Anyone have the stats on how many 3 and out our defense caused and also opponents scoring on first drive?
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Old 02-23-2005, 08:38 AM   #32
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JK,

I am sad to see you going, as I liked to read your posts. It is unfortunate that you selected an argument as passionate as the Brooks debate to \"draw a line in the sand\" over.

I don\'t know how long you\'ve followed the board. If you\'ve read it a long time, you will realize that one of the members here has undergone name changes MANY times. Long time readers all know who he is, and I personally enjoy reading him. I believe that you are catching the fallout over the long history of this other poster.

You have chosen to come down on the side supporting Brooks. That in itself is not a problem. The problem is that this other poster has consistently, year in and year out, made one excuse after another in support of Brooks. The excuses change every year and every year we hear new rationalizations on why this year, Brooks is all but blameless in our Offensive problems.

Since the story changes so much, it is not suprising that the other poster gets called out so much. It is unfortunate that you read these call outs and feel they are directed at you, just because you happen to agree with this other poster.

In my opinion, the moderators on this board do an OUTSTANDING job of preventing things from degenerating into personal insults. I am sorry that you seem to take even broad statements as personal insults, and I will miss your insight even though I do not often agree with your conclusions.

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Old 02-23-2005, 08:58 AM   #33
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First of all, I hope JKool will change his mind.

Second, JKool has been called close minded and it\'s been suggested that he\'s just making excuses for Brooks. You know who you are.

JKool has been nothing but fair in the whole Brooks\' debate. Not only that, JKool has treated EVERY SINGLE member here with respect.

In case some of you haven\'t noticed, JKool isn\'t a Brooks\' supporter. JKool is someone who discusses what he thinks the problems are and debates what he thinks the important \"points\" are.

Some of you guys have your own opinions of Brooks. You\'ve got every right to feel however you want.

But, calling JKool closed minded and suggesting he\'s a blind Brooks\' supporter? What the hell is wrong with you guys?

JKool brought nothing but fairness to the Brooks\' debate and some guys couldn\'t accept that and had to bring the nonsense in it.

If someone wants to say someone is closed minded or whatever, send that person a private message. Why do you need to post it where everyone can read it. Do you just need to try and make someone look foolish for posting their opinions?

What\'s the point in that?





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Old 02-23-2005, 09:18 AM   #34
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I\'ve been a member here for a while now. I read more often than I post, for the simple fact that I know that I\'m probably not as intelligent as I think I am, and I want to make sure that what I say is intelligent.................no, really. Anyway, I love reading the debates that go on with JKool, Gumbo, JoeSam, Saintfan, all the regular posters. But, here\'s the deal. We have to be able to debate. I mean without that, what\'s the fun in this board? But, if anyone remembers a thread from a couple of months ago, it can seem to get a little personal on this board at times.

Now everyone that comes here loves the Saints. Being a Saints fan means being a true fan, and I think all of us in some way are connected in a way by that. We don\'t have bandwagon fans mostly because we have no wagon. So, let\'s debate all day long, but let\'s not make it personal. Be passionate in you arguments, but don\'t insult the other posters. Moderators should send out warnings to people who are dancing that line, and if they don\'t abide by the rules, kick em off the board. Don\'t quit JKool, you are one of the guys that is the heartbeat of this board.

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Old 02-23-2005, 09:24 AM   #35
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I\'m with Joe and Frenzy on this one Kool. Why choose the Brooks debate as a measure? Why not eliminate yourself from the Brooks debate as a deterrent to any labels? You and I have discussed this in another thread and I thought we were pretty clear. Yes some guys did come down harsh on you but I agree with Frenzy, that is fall out from a member who attempts to be so far to the other extreme as to be laughable. I think people who fall anywhere near the support Brooks line catch the backlash from that, unfair as it is.

I have attempted minimally in the last few days not to have arguments over Brooks, even though I may make comments. It had made my life easier believe me. In this thread, I discussed the OFFENSE letting the DEFENSE down, and not just Brooks letting them down. I could have done that and shown facts easily enough, but what\'s the point? I have been labeled as bad as anyone on here. That\'s human nature. Don\'t take it personal. I mean I have known you are a sensitive guy, nothing wrong with that at all. That\'s why I tend to clarify myself and such if we have misunderstandings. You\'re good to have around man. DON\'T TAKE IT PERSONAL. You could be AB\'s number one cheerleader(with stiff competition though) it wouldn\'t matter, it is the fairness you bring most times to the convo and your intelligence that is valued. I said the same to LB when he left and he agrees with me way more than you ever did, but my feelings are the same. You don\'t need to leave cause things got personal. either ignore it or move on. NOONE here knows you OUTSIDE of this forum, so why should you care what they think of YOU individually from nominal posts on an internet forum? Hell, I don\'t even know your first name and we have battled on here as much as anyone. Chill, come back, and dazzle us with that JKool wit, go back, read my post, and let\'s get back into this thing. Peace.
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Old 02-23-2005, 09:49 AM   #36
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Whether somone loves, hates, are falls somewhere in between, on Aaron Brooks, there is no need to make little snide comments. Or personal attacks.

The majority on this board are to the extreme with the Brooks\' bashing. Fine and dandy.

I, myself, am a big Brooks\' supporter. I simply make my feelings known. Like it, hate it, disagree with it - or whatever... But, more than anyone else, I have been called foolish, stupid, close minded, or whatever. It really doesn\'t bother me, but ,at times, I get tired of it.

If you think I\'m closed minded when it comes to Brooks, what are some of you? Objective? Hardly!!

No one needs to use me as an excuse if you\'ve called other members out. I debate folks all day long without using any personal attacks. In fact, I let a bunch or personal attacks go and try to overlook \'em.

I can\'t help that the majority here disagrees with me on Brooks. I can\'t help if it drives some of you crazy that I see it TOTALLY different than the rest of you.

But, I do not attack other members. I get my points across with stats, my personal observations, and my opinions.

Say what you want about me, it doesn\'t bother me.

I\'m very confident in what I say. But, other members don\'t like to be attacked. Leave \'em out of it.



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Old 02-23-2005, 09:56 AM   #37
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Guys, you bring a tear to my eye.

Thanks for all the great thoughts. I think I\'m going to take a day or two off and try to sort out some other things. Sorry for getting all sensitive and shiznit; I\'ve got some other stuff going on (still).

I\'ll be back.

Before I head off again though, I want to say three things:
(1) Thanks. Deep down (sometimes very deep) you guys are kind and considerate. I really do appreciate all the thoughts and concern - I will think on some of your suggestions.

(2) I didn\'t draw the line in the sand over AB. Sure, those are the debates that really wore me down, but this thread is about the offense and the defense. I don\'t remember mentioning AB at all, until someone decided that the best thing to do was bring that up, label me, call me close minded, and suggest that logic didn\'t appeal nor apply to me.

(3) The mods here are great. I they do a great job and run a great site. I never felt personally attacked until recently, and I have to say that, in part, it is probably just the other stuff going on for me right now. However, I\'m not as tough as Billy, and I\'d prefer for people to direct disagreement at what I said rather than what they take my personality or position to be. I don\'t see that that is too much to ask.

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Old 02-23-2005, 09:58 AM   #38
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Take a few days Kool...it\'s worked wonders for me, but get back in here man. You bring a level-headed approach that I enjoy reading. Don\'t stay gone too long.
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Old 02-23-2005, 10:18 AM   #39
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PS - Sorry to hi-jack this thread. I think it is interesting, and someone should continue this discussion with Xan. His view is interesting.
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Old 02-23-2005, 11:34 AM   #40
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Okay, How many 3 and outs did our defense provide, and first drive punts?

Glad to get back to football talk
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