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Old 12-31-2015, 10:35 AM   #31
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Trading Cam = 18 million in dead money = stupid move
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Old 12-31-2015, 10:54 AM   #32
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Re: Saints have more problems than 2016 draft can fix

you know I watched Anthony a few plays the other afternoon and yes hes good but a couple of plays he just a fraction of a sec. from making plays that could have changed the game. yes he was late on filling a few holes but that will change .possibly by next season. its like getting a better oick in next years draft when u had rookies in there first year running all over the field trying to figure this thing out. Anthony will be better and better, that's just him, we had more rookies that were thrown in the fire first out, i'm going in to next season with being better and i'm pumped for whats coming;.payton knew this season was a rebuild, they just can't say it anymore in these days. wait till next year boys then we can start thinking superbowl after then. it takes time.
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Old 12-31-2015, 02:08 PM   #33
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Re: Saints have more problems than 2016 draft can fix

Jordan just needs some help...along with Anthony and Ki'kaha.
The DB's were terrible because they had to cover for 17 seconds.
Just a decent pass rush would force a few more quick or errant throws.
Doesn't even have to be "turn overs". I consider 3rd down stops to be turnovers.
We did nothing well on defense. I say pick something and be good at it.
Then build around that. Pass rush, run stop, coverage, ...doesn't even matter- just pick one.
Its the little things that got to me this season.
Same foolishness every week.
Scoring 20's , 30's and 40's and defense can't even stop a clock.
Just pick something and be good it.
May surprise at how much better the other things suddenly get.

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Old 12-31-2015, 04:28 PM   #34
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Cam Jordan is easily the best defensive player we have. He also consistently ranks out on the top of his position in pass rushing and run stopping according to pff. Don't pay attention to the knee jerk reaction folks.

Cam needs some players across the line which can also draw double teams. Outside of Cam we have NO ONE that poses any threat. We have the worst front 4 in the NFL, if jj watt had the supporting cast Cam had, jj wouldn't be a pro bowler every year.
Cam Jordan is not even on the same level as Watts and never will be. Watts never takes plays off and constantly beats O-linemen. I would trade him in a heartbeat just like I would have trader Ellis, Vilma and Smith. I can't see cutting him because he does produce to a point but I'm all about trading him for picks. As far as building a D around him, hell no.
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Old 01-01-2016, 02:52 PM   #35
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Cam Jordan = Will Smith...

I'm not drinking the imperfect PFF stat coolaid, I'm watching games where Cam Jordan consistently fails containment on run plays (that last big run gash by the Lions comes to mind - go back, watch the film)...

and, like a former defensive end, gets his numbers in bunches against non-regular starting offensive linemen; he's not having a consistent impact, week end, week out...

Respectfully, I don't agree he's even our top defender...

Before Jordan, I'd rank...

(1) Keenan Lewis
(2) Delvin Breaux
(3) Stephone Anthony
(4) Hau'oli Kikaha

Cam Jordan's stock will never be higher and I'd move him now for a younger stud with a better motor...

And you can sign and trade to minimize the dead money impact...

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Old 01-01-2016, 09:14 PM   #36
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In 06 we went to the NFCCG with a rookie 7th rd WR, Devery henderson who was being called a bust the year before and Terrance Copper. We had Deuce but he was basically crippled at that point in his career. Reggie was talented clueless and the O line was a patchwork of no names.

The defense was what we wish we had now, at the lower end of mediocre. The year before we were a train wreck.
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Old 01-01-2016, 09:46 PM   #37
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In 06 we went to the NFCCG with a rookie 7th rd WR, Devery henderson who was being called a bust the year before and Terrance Copper. We had Deuce but he was basically crippled at that point in his career. Reggie was talented clueless and the O line was a patchwork of no names.

The defense was what we wish we had now, at the lower end of mediocre. The year before we were a train wreck.
I bet the Eagles disagree and so do I...

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Deuce re-invented himself like very few players I can remember. He did it on savvy and heart. But by 06 he was playing on two bad knees and also had ankle issues. Not knocking what he did, it was amazing!

But I'm comparing him to this guy
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Old 01-01-2016, 10:30 PM   #39
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Here's another to bring back those fond memories

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I wish we had another freight train like Deuce for next season.
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