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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Outside linebacker Kasim Edebali hasn't missed a practice or game in two full seasons since signing with the New Orleans Saints as an undrafted free agent in 2014. Call it good luck, good training or just the advantage of youth, ...

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Old 01-30-2016, 03:00 PM   #1
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Outside linebacker Kasim Edebali hasn't missed a practice or game in two full seasons since signing with the New Orleans Saints as an undrafted free agent in 2014.

Call it good luck, good training or just the advantage of youth, but Edebali made the Saints perfect-attendance list for the second consecutive year.

Six other players on the Saints didn't miss a single practice or game in 2015. Four of the players -- Edebali, center Max Unger, guard Senio Kelemete and rookie defensive tackle Tyeler Davison -- also didn't miss a single practice in training camp.

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Old 01-30-2016, 05:47 PM   #2
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I had no idea Edibali notched 5 sacks as a rotational player, that's pretty impressive!
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I had no idea Edibali notched 5 sacks as a rotational player, that's pretty impressive!
We've mentioned it on several threads...

He's my argument for going to a 3-4...

Would love to hear the coaching staff's reasoning for the reluctance to play him...
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We've mentioned it on several threads...

He's my argument for going to a 3-4...

Would love to hear the coaching staff's reasoning for the reluctance to play him...
We play both 3-4 and 4-3.

He received 1/3 of all the defensive snaps, and only Cam Jordan and Bobby Richardson took more snaps at DE.

I probably wouldn't call that a reluctance to play him. Especially considering he graded out as our 4th worst defensive player on the field.
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I had no idea Edibali notched 5 sacks as a rotational player, that's pretty impressive!
that's more than that guy from clemson the falcons drafted
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We play both 3-4 and 4-3.

He received 1/3 of all the defensive snaps, and only Cam Jordan and Bobby Richardson took more snaps at DE.

I probably wouldn't call that a reluctance to play him. Especially considering he graded out as our 4th worst defensive player on the field.
Well, we're mostly in a 4-3 and the results have been pretty shi**y...

Now assuming the grading out mentioned is based on PFF, while a useful tool, I'd caution against over-reliance on a flawed and not nearly all encompassing grading...

We saw too many plays where Cam Jordan ran upfield, head in the air and right by ball carriers, failing to secure the edge allowing gashes underneath the tackles...

Type of plays I'm referring would be like that last killer drive by Detroit in the Saints vain comeback comes to mind...

PFF gave Cam Jordan a great grade in that game where I thought his gaffes were key and costly to the Brees-led comeback...

I'd be curious if PFF, using sabremetrics as they do, would factor sacks/plays; that's legitimate production and Edebali leads the team...

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Assuming the grading out is based on PFF...

Useful tool, but over-reliant and not nearly all encompassing...

Saw too many plays where Cam Jordan ran upfield and right by ball carriers, failing to secure the edge...

That last killer drive by Detroit in the Saints vain comeback comes to mind...

PFF gave Cam Jordan a great grade in that game where I thought his gaffes cost the comeback...

I'd be curious if PFF, using sabremetrics as they do, would factor sacks/plays; that's legitimate production and Edebali leads the team...
I'd like more detail on their grading system too. I know they use former players, scouts and "experts" to grade players but it would be interesting to see what they grade and how.

Often times the player that gets the sack didn't really make the play. Someone else did and created the sack for another player.

Teams may double team Cam, letting someone else go free for the sack. The sack may go to someone else, but Cam is the reason for the sack.

I've heard that they include that in their grades, but haven't seen anything definitive about it.


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I'd like more detail on their grading system too. I know they use former players, scouts and "experts" to grade players but it would be interesting to see what they grade and how.

Often times the player that gets the sack didn't really make the play. Someone else did and created the sack for another player.


Teams may double team Cam, letting someone else go free for the sack. The sack may go to someone else, but Cam is the reason for the sack.

I've heard that they include that in their grades, but haven't seen anything definitive about it.


Edit... From their site...
That right there is where we're in total agreement; unfortunately, they really don't "reveal" their system, but I can see why as that's how they earn their bread...
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they could grade it 100 times and I'd still think PFF is full of ****
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they could grade it 100 times and I'd still think PFF is full of ****
Do you know of a better site? I'd love to see it.
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