2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

jeanpierre · 06-09-2016, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

New Orleans Saints' Marcus Murphy seeks expanded role in offense | NOLA.com

Here's to hoping MM improves this season - minus the fumbles.

Seems the vision for him was as a "Sproles-back"...

Wished he could have played one season with Darren Sproles and learned the work ethic, dedication it takes to be an All-Purpose Yardage Leader...

Sproles opened the offense up like no one except maybe Bush, and even then, Darren was head and shoulders above Reggie in that regard...

Not sure what Spiller will bring, if anything, to this offense...

Really want BOTH Murphy and Lasco and to win out the No. 2 and No. 3 spots behind Ingram...

jeanpierre · 06-10-2016, 07:52 AM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 34 - Tim Hightower, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 38 - Travaris Cadet, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 36 - Daniel Lasco

FB (1) 35 - Austin Johnson, 39 - Sione Houma

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 15 - Vincent Brown, 81 - Jordan Williams, 85 - Jared Dangerfield, 17 - Kyle Prater

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 79 - Joseph Cheek, 70 - Ryker Mathews

LG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 68 - Tim Lelito, 71 - Kaleb Eulls

C (1) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen, 61 - Marcus Henry

RG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 78 - Landon Turner, 62 - Cyril Lemon

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 74 - Tyrus Thompson, 67 - Avery Young

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 88 - RaShaun Allen, 80 - Jack Tabb, 86 - Chris Manhertz

SR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 83 - Willie Snead, 14 - R.J. Harris, 11 - Reggie Bell, 87 - TommyLee Lewis, 19 - Jake Lampmann

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway

NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata

LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, *44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward

MLB (3) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer

SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 57 - Dillon Lee

RCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 24 - Kyle Wilson, 25 - P.J. Williams, 29 - Tony Carter, 49 - De’Vante Harris

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 33 - Jamarca Sanford, 30 - Erik Harris, 41 - Roman Harper

FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 42 - Alden Darby, 26 - Trae Elston

LCB (2) 21 - Keenan Lewis, 27 - Damian Swann, 20 - Brian Dixon, 37 - Brandon Dixon, 46 - Ken Crawley, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt

KICKING

K (1) 5 - Kai Forbath, 3 - Connor Barth

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 45 - Garrett Griffin

Projected Starter

Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Future/UDRFA

Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports

Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 43, Defense - 43, Kicking - 4, Total Roster - 90

Note: * 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha hasn't been officially put on IR nor IR-To Return

K Major · 06-10-2016, 08:01 AM

Someone on this roster (specifically Defense) needs to step up in a BIG way for 2016.

jeanpierre · 06-10-2016, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Someone on this roster (specifically Defense) needs to step up in a BIG way for 2016.

Major...

Need a Free Safety to step up and finish strong; whether Kenny V shifts over or Vonn Bell steps in and replaces Byrd...

Need all four (4) starters on the defensive line to create a legitimate pass rush without the added blitzer...

Need linebacker chemistry, continuity...

Need a young, complimentary cornerback to Del Breaux...

K Major · 06-10-2016, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Major...

Need all four (4) starters on the defensive line to create a legitimate pass rush without the added blitzer...

+1. This will be one of the most intriguing and anticipated battles to watch.

CheramieIII · 06-10-2016, 09:47 AM

I still love the personnel on defense this year compared to last. No glaring holes yet!

jeanpierre · 06-11-2016, 11:00 AM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs ***UPDATED***

DEFENSIVE LINE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway

NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry

DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata

LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, *44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

Projected Starter

Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Future/UDRFA

Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports

Figure on Saints keeping between eight (8), maybe nine (9) defensive linemen on the final (53) intial roster...

Early Rankings of our defensive line would be:
94 - Cameron Jordan - Incorrectly utilized as a weakside DE, Jack LBer and coming off offseason back surgery (which is very serious) should be ready to lead unit.

90 - Nick Fairley - Some guys you just have to keep the carrot in front of 'em; all the talent in the world, does the light finally go off and Fairley finds a home?

99 - Sheldon Rankins - wasn't high on using first round pick to select due to lack of size and for Saints interior need, but he's carried himself well in OTAs...

91 - Kasim Edebali - (music que - Eminem's Lose Yourself) Impressive Sacks/Opportunities ratio, but if ever there was a chance for a guy to control his destiny...

98 - Bobby Richardson - Walkon who earned a starting gig last season because of lack of depth; he's a liability in pass rush and must change that.

92 - John Jenkins - Bulked up, Lost Weight, changed position and technique and the coaches, who've changed as much, can't understand his stunted progression?

95 - Tyeler Davison - projected NT coming out of college, he's been a top reserve who's learning to a warrior in the NFL trenches...

93 - David Onyemata - Good quickness in small area with impressive strength and bulk, but can he be a quickstudy to justify the roster space?

58 - Obum Gwacham - Former WR who's trusted coaches and worked to bulk to 255+, but still looks too lean to anchor the edge - better 3-4 fit.

55 - Davis Tull - Phenomenal athlete, played against lesser collegiate competition, should be receiving more attention but is D.A. even interested?!?

96 - Ashaad Mabry - Man's man from humble background who's worked to learn the NFL game and physically compete, but will the progression be there?

77 - D.J. Pettway - Buried on a deep Bama, he did practice against some of the best offensive linemen to enter the NFL the past few years

Defensive Linemen to watch who're likely to move up:
55 - Davis Tull
96 - Ashaad Mabry
93 - David Onyemata

Notes/Observations:

*44 - Hau'oli Kikaha is likely lost for most, if not the entire season due to a third lifetime knee injury; he would have been ranked third (3rd)

What will be key is keeping the horses fresh so that the Saints can generate a pass rush with four (4) down linemen...

A unit strength that pops out is that many individual players do have versatility (e.g. 94 - Cameron Jordan, 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 95 - Tyeler Davison & 93 - David Onyemata)...

Of course while having that flexibility will be a plus from week to week, it'll put the onus on D.A. to find best possible match ups...

While Davis Tull was a DE in college and is ideally suited as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL, he could still be shifted to backup Anthony at the SAM...

It seemed early on that the base defense would be a mimic of Seattle's 4-3 under as this scheme would get the top front seven players on the field at one time...

...now with the Kikaha injury, we may see a more traditional 4-3 where you'd have a four-man DE rotation of Jordan, Richardson, Edebali and Onyemata and a four-man DT rotation of Fairley, Rankins, Jenkins and Davison...

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 93 - David Onyemata

NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison

DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins

DE (2) 98 - Bobby Richardson, 91 - Kasim Edebali

That being the case, if a tremendous impression is made by Tull, Gwachum and/or Pettway, you could see as many as nine (9) defensive linemen make the roster...

Provided there are no more (nevermind)...

Despite the unfortunate, devastating news of the Kikaha injury (God Be With Him), I believe this can be the most improved unit for the team on the talent infusion alone; still would have liked a new defensive line coach...

K Major · 06-11-2016, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs ***UPDATED***

Despite the unfortunate, devastating news of the Kikaha injury (God Be With Him), I believe this can be the most improved unit for the team on the talent infusion alone; still would have liked a new defensive line coach...[/B]

If Bill Johnson can't get it done THIS season, it's time to look else where. Too many talented guys in the trenches for us not to substantially improve.

ChrisXVI · 06-11-2016, 02:38 PM

Great D-Line write up JP! I was nervous about that weak side DE position BEFORE Kikaha went down so I'm trying hard to stay optimistic. Not only do these guys have to battle it out against each other but they have to do it against one of the best left tackles in the league in Armstead. We should know REAL quick which guys have any shot at being an adequate starter.

jeanpierre · 06-11-2016, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

I still love the personnel on defense this year compared to last. No glaring holes yet!

Knock that sh*t off, Cher!

Originally Posted by K Major

If Bill Johnson can't get it done THIS season, it's time to look else where. Too many talented guys in the trenches for us not to substantially improve.

Not only Johnson, but all the way up to Dennis Allen; in fact, Payton probably loses his virtual cloak of invincibility and really feels the pressure...

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Great D-Line write up JP! I was nervous about that weak side DE position BEFORE Kikaha went down so I'm trying hard to stay optimistic. Not only do these guys have to battle it out against each other but they have to do it against one of the best left tackles in the league in Armstead. We should know REAL quick which guys have any shot at being an adequate starter.

Thanks, Chris! Actually we've got a legitimate, at minimum, seven-man defensive line rotation which I prefer over four standouts with a drop-off to reserves...

Packers had similar front when they made their run a few years ago; and you're dead-on that both lines should test each's mettle, pushing towards higher-level play...

06-09-2016, 10:25 AM	#321
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major New Orleans Saints' Marcus Murphy seeks expanded role in offense \| NOLA.com Here's to hoping MM improves this season - minus the fumbles. Seems the vision for him was as a "Sproles-back"... Wished he could have played one season with Darren Sproles and learned the work ethic, dedication it takes to be an All-Purpose Yardage Leader... Sproles opened the offense up like no one except maybe Bush, and even then, Darren was head and shoulders above Reggie in that regard... Not sure what Spiller will bring, if anything, to this offense... Really want BOTH Murphy and Lasco and to win out the No. 2 and No. 3 spots behind Ingram...

06-10-2016, 07:52 AM	#322
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs OFFENSE QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 34 - Tim Hightower, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 38 - Travaris Cadet, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 36 - Daniel Lasco FB (1) 35 - Austin Johnson, 39 - Sione Houma WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 15 - Vincent Brown, 81 - Jordan Williams, 85 - Jared Dangerfield, 17 - Kyle Prater LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 79 - Joseph Cheek, 70 - Ryker Mathews LG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 68 - Tim Lelito, 71 - Kaleb Eulls C (1) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen, 61 - Marcus Henry RG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 78 - Landon Turner, 62 - Cyril Lemon RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 74 - Tyrus Thompson, 67 - Avery Young TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 88 - RaShaun Allen, 80 - Jack Tabb, 86 - Chris Manhertz SR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 83 - Willie Snead, 14 - R.J. Harris, 11 - Reggie Bell, 87 - TommyLee Lewis, 19 - Jake Lampmann DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward* MLB (3) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 57 - Dillon Lee RCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 24 - Kyle Wilson, 25 - P.J. Williams, 29 - Tony Carter, 49 - De’Vante Harris SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 33 - Jamarca Sanford, 30 - Erik Harris, 41 - Roman Harper FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 42 - Alden Darby, 26 - Trae Elston LCB (2) 21 - Keenan Lewis, 27 - Damian Swann, 20 - Brian Dixon, 37 - Brandon Dixon, 46 - Ken Crawley, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt KICKING K (1) 5 - Kai Forbath, 3 - Connor Barth P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 45 - Garrett Griffin Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 43, Defense - 43, Kicking - 4, Total Roster - 90 *Note: 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha hasn't been officially put on IR nor IR-To Return**
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06-10-2016, 08:01 AM	#323
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06-10-2016, 08:34 AM	#324
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Someone on this roster (specifically Defense) needs to step up in a BIG way for 2016. Major... Need a Free Safety to step up and finish strong; whether Kenny V shifts over or Vonn Bell steps in and replaces Byrd... Need all four (4) starters on the defensive line to create a legitimate pass rush without the added blitzer... Need linebacker chemistry, continuity... Need a young, complimentary cornerback to Del Breaux... K Major likes this.

06-10-2016, 08:50 AM	#325
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06-11-2016, 11:00 AM	#327
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs *UPDATED* DEFENSIVE LINE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha Projected Starter* Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports Figure on Saints keeping between eight (8), maybe nine (9) defensive linemen on the final (53) intial roster... Early Rankings of our defensive line would be: 94 - Cameron Jordan - Incorrectly utilized as a weakside DE, Jack LBer and coming off offseason back surgery (which is very serious) should be ready to lead unit. 90 - Nick Fairley - Some guys you just have to keep the carrot in front of 'em; all the talent in the world, does the light finally go off and Fairley finds a home? 99 - Sheldon Rankins - wasn't high on using first round pick to select due to lack of size and for Saints interior need, but he's carried himself well in OTAs... *91 - Kasim Edebali - (music que - Eminem's Lose Yourself) Impressive Sacks/Opportunities ratio, but if ever there was a chance for a guy to control his destiny...* 98 - Bobby Richardson - Walkon who earned a starting gig last season because of lack of depth; he's a liability in pass rush and must change that. 92 - John Jenkins - Bulked up, Lost Weight, changed position and technique and the coaches, who've changed as much, can't understand his stunted progression? 95 - Tyeler Davison - projected NT coming out of college, he's been a top reserve who's learning to a warrior in the NFL trenches... 93 - David Onyemata - Good quickness in small area with impressive strength and bulk, but can he be a quickstudy to justify the roster space? 58 - Obum Gwacham - Former WR who's trusted coaches and worked to bulk to 255+, but still looks too lean to anchor the edge - better 3-4 fit. 55 - Davis Tull - Phenomenal athlete, played against lesser collegiate competition, should be receiving more attention but is D.A. even interested?!? 96 - Ashaad Mabry - Man's man from humble background who's worked to learn the NFL game and physically compete, but will the progression be there? 77 - D.J. Pettway - Buried on a deep Bama, he did practice against some of the best offensive linemen to enter the NFL the past few years Defensive Linemen to watch who're likely to move up: 55 - Davis Tull 96 - Ashaad Mabry 93 - David Onyemata Notes/Observations: 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha is likely lost for most, if not the entire season due to a third lifetime knee injury; he would have been ranked third (3rd) What will be key is keeping the horses fresh so that the Saints can generate a pass rush with four (4) down linemen...* A unit strength that pops out is that many individual players do have versatility (e.g. 94 - Cameron Jordan, 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 95 - Tyeler Davison & 93 - David Onyemata)... Of course while having that flexibility will be a plus from week to week, it'll put the onus on D.A. to find best possible match ups... While Davis Tull was a DE in college and is ideally suited as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL, he could still be shifted to backup Anthony at the SAM... It seemed early on that the base defense would be a mimic of Seattle's 4-3 under as this scheme would get the top front seven players on the field at one time... ...now with the Kikaha injury, we may see a more traditional 4-3 where you'd have a four-man DE rotation of Jordan, Richardson, Edebali and Onyemata and a four-man DT rotation of Fairley, Rankins, Jenkins and Davison... DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 93 - David Onyemata NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins DE (2) 98 - Bobby Richardson, 91 - Kasim Edebali That being the case, if a tremendous impression is made by Tull, Gwachum and/or Pettway, you could see as many as nine (9) defensive linemen make the roster... Provided there are no more (nevermind)... Despite the unfortunate, devastating news of the Kikaha injury (God Be With Him), I believe this can be the most improved unit for the team on the talent infusion alone; still would have liked a new defensive line coach... Rugby Saint II likes this.
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06-11-2016, 02:19 PM	#328
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs *UPDATED* Despite the unfortunate, devastating news of the Kikaha injury (God Be With Him), I believe this can be the most improved unit for the team on the talent infusion alone; still would have liked a new defensive line coach...[/B] If Bill Johnson can't get it done THIS season, it's time to look else where. Too many talented guys in the trenches for us not to substantially improve. jeanpierre likes this.

06-11-2016, 02:38 PM	#329
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Great D-Line write up JP! I was nervous about that weak side DE position BEFORE Kikaha went down so I'm trying hard to stay optimistic. Not only do these guys have to battle it out against each other but they have to do it against one of the best left tackles in the league in Armstead. We should know REAL quick which guys have any shot at being an adequate starter. jeanpierre likes this.

06-11-2016, 03:54 PM	#330
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by CheramieIII I still love the personnel on defense this year compared to last. No glaring holes yet! *Knock that sht off, Cher! Originally Posted by K Major If Bill Johnson can't get it done THIS season, it's time to look else where. Too many talented guys in the trenches for us not to substantially improve. Not only Johnson, but all the way up to Dennis Allen; in fact, Payton probably loses his virtual cloak of invincibility and really feels the pressure... Originally Posted by ChrisXVI** Great D-Line write up JP! I was nervous about that weak side DE position BEFORE Kikaha went down so I'm trying hard to stay optimistic. Not only do these guys have to battle it out against each other but they have to do it against one of the best left tackles in the league in Armstead. We should know REAL quick which guys have any shot at being an adequate starter. Thanks, Chris! Actually we've got a legitimate, at minimum, seven-man defensive line rotation which I prefer over four standouts with a drop-off to reserves... Packers had similar front when they made their run a few years ago; and you're dead-on that both lines should test each's mettle, pushing towards higher-level play...
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