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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal And you are assuming that all of us are in that same "percentage". That's your problem. You think YOU are the enlightened one. I'm all for a good argument, here and there, but what you do ...

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Old 02-19-2016, 09:38 PM   #31
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Re: Looks like Spiller will be back

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And you are assuming that all of us are in that same "percentage". That's your problem. You think YOU are the enlightened one. I'm all for a good argument, here and there, but what you do is beyond that. You come in here like a seagull, crapping all over everyone's head, and just trying your best to irritate people with your pretentious claims of superiority. "I spent ten years working in the sports media arena"... So what? I have worked zero years in any media, and I can tell you exactly what you told me. What does that have to do with calling out a GM for over paying players, and pushing back cap problems?

You've given nothing of any substance. You continue to say that we know nothing, but you can't tell me why I'm wrong. Only that (in your opinion) he is respected, and that we don't know the intricacies.
Where did I ever state that you were wrong, per say? I have simply stated that you are making your declarations by basing them on absolute fluff. I said that you are basing your opinions on totally unreliable information. I gave my absolute reasoning behind why I know the basis of your opinions are meaningless. By no means is that a reflection upon your personal intellect or education.

Perhaps we can have the opportunity to meet face to face and discuss these topics. I seriously feel I would enjoy that. Alcohol, food and music required.
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Old 02-19-2016, 09:50 PM   #32
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You aren't even trying at this point. I, at no point, said every practice snap was available on youtube. I only briefly mentioned practice as being the one thing I "might not see". And I mentioned youtube sarcastically, as your favorite thing to say is "they have access to all the game film". The point was that you don't need to look it up. All the games are on TV. I can see it live. Yes, I have access to any film I want, if I want it.

What, do you think the film they have will look different because they can stop it and draw pictures in the middle of it? Be real, man.

I don't know all of the details that go on, and I don't claim to. I'm not in on the meetings. Similarly, I don't sit in on the governor's meetings, yet I can tell you that his idea of cutting the LSU football program because of the state deficit is the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time. My point here is very simple. Just because I don't know all the details, doesn't mean that I can't see the difference between a good GM, an average GM, and a bad GM.

You say Loomis is respected throughout the league for his expertise. Who told you that? Because you don't hear his counterparts publicly bashing him (because that's so common, right), you assume that everyone respects him?

You're all caught up in the "intricacies", as if we are debating the inner workings of a computer hard-drive. We see the same numbers you do. Yet what we read is all "unreliable", but you apparently have the goods.

Right.
No. I am saying that numbers mean more to an individual that is trained to understand the intricacies involved. No, we are not discussing a computer. We are discussing accounting and finance which involves a different, yet comparable degree of insight as that of computer science.

As an aside, which I am quite sure will piss you off, I also have 25 years experience as a computer systems analyst.

I guess you can say I do have a few "goods".

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Old 02-20-2016, 08:33 AM   #33
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Where did I ever state that you were wrong, per say? I have simply stated that you are making your declarations by basing them on absolute fluff. I said that you are basing your opinions on totally unreliable information. I gave my absolute reasoning behind why I know the basis of your opinions are meaningless. By no means is that a reflection upon your personal intellect or education.

Perhaps we can have the opportunity to meet face to face and discuss these topics. I seriously feel I would enjoy that. Alcohol, food and music required.
When you tell someone they don't know what they are talking about, in so many words, that's pretty clear that you think I'm wrong. You don't have to spell it out.

You claim to "know" why the basis of my opinions are meaningless. But you still don't get it.... I don't base it off of something some random media guy had to say.

The Saints are always way over the cap going into the off-season, and have to make so many moves just to get under. But they don't do much of anything to improve the team, and often do NOTHING to improve, because they don't have the money. This isn't college where you recruit. Getting players in this league is all about having the money. You don't even have to go after someone like a Von Miller. Just spread it out more evenly with solid players. I must have said this four or five different times over the last day. All Loomis does push back problems. You say he's accounting for the cap increase, which is what I hear every year, but every year is the same. I know what he THINKS he's trying to do. I'm a lot smarter than you realize. But the fact is he's not doing a good job.

You think that I have to be an accountant to understand. But you are refusing to acknowledge my point, over and over. I'm not breaking down the nuts and bolts of the deal, I'm discussing the results. I've used numerous analogies to get this point across. It doesn't matter what is discussed behind doors, I can still see when mistakes are made. The results speak for themselves. He doesn't deserve any credit for any good decisions, if you expect me to believe that none of the bad is on him. Because you're basically telling me that Loomis has no say at all. You are basing your opinion of him being a yes man on "fluff", buddy.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:50 AM   #34
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No. I am saying that numbers mean more to an individual that is trained to understand the intricacies involved. No, we are not discussing a computer. We are discussing accounting and finance which involves a different, yet comparable degree of insight as that of computer science.

As an aside, which I am quite sure will piss you off, I also have 25 years experience as a computer systems analyst.

I guess you can say I do have a few "goods".

I'm afraid that does not give you any "goods". First off, finances are most certainly NOT near as complicated as figuring out a computer hard drive. I don't say this to be mean spirited, but I don't much care if you have a single day of experience as a computer analyst, I'm talking about the actual building of the system. It's one thing to look at something with an instruction manual and figure out if everything is working right. It's a whole different thing to build it. So I don't know what you think you're proving to me by plugging your experience. So no, that doesn't anger me.

Back to why this doesn't give you "the goods". As the computer thing was clearly an analogy, you don't have any inside knowledge on what goes on in the NFL any more than I do. You continue to contend that you know something that I, or we as fans, don't. It's common knowledge that this front office has not operated very wisely in years. I'm not having to guess, I can SEE it. You both underestimate my intelligence, and overestimate, or over state, the degree of difficulty in constructing player contracts.

Your whole argument is basically trying to make me believe that, no matter how bad something might look to me, Loomis had a plan for that. I guess that's why they lead the world in dead money. Because he was "totally" prepared for all the failures. Not everything is his fault. I don't expect him to see the future with Galette doing what he did to get cut. But he's just one of the many, many huge contracts that are weighing this team down.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 02-20-2016, 11:54 AM   #35
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The only thing I don't like about Byrd is the health issue. I would like to see what he can do when he is 100 percent and we have to get a little pressure on the QB. our dbacks have no help on that area what so ever.
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Old 02-20-2016, 05:39 PM   #36
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The only thing I don't like about Byrd is the health issue. I would like to see what he can do when he is 100 percent and we have to get a little pressure on the QB. our dbacks have no help on that area what so ever.
Well we will find out how good Byrd can be this year. His dead money is more than his cap hit so he is going no where.
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Old 02-21-2016, 11:55 AM   #37
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No, this is not a worthy thread. We don't need to cut someone that will cost us another 4 million in dead money! It would only free up roughy 500K. Who the crap u gunna get with his skill set for 500K? Ill tell you, NO ONE.
Take a chill pill dude. I never said we should cut him. All i did was provide a link and make a comment about it. If you dont like the topic, move on and dont comment. It's not that difficult tough guy.

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Old 02-22-2016, 09:09 PM   #38
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I think he's worth keeping and I really like Hightower. He's a cheap average RB
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