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Old 03-09-2016, 06:34 PM   #11
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Well, I'm going to speak a little blaspheme...

F*** Brees and his agent...

Saints took a risk and offered and signed him to the largest guaranteed money he could find when only Miami showed interests with little guaranteed money...

We've seen several times when teams pay the quarterback the big MO after a championship, the money is not there to sign the essential supporting players...

One guy, Tom Brady, has stepped up and done it right - So pardon me if I don't get weak at the knees for Brees...

See a lot of parallels between Walsh/49ers and Payton/Saints - and I can see the mistakes we've made...

Walsh knew, and wisely made the move for Young; he realized it was his system and not Montana that really made it happen...

Brees has benefited more from Payton's system than it's gone the other way...

It's Payton's offense that's the real charm and it's time to ride out the Condon contract and move on next season...

It's not all on Brees as Loomis should have been more of a GM than an errand boy with respect to the other signings...

But you know, he could've stepped up and done what Brady did the way he could've stepped up into a well-paid pocket...

Our best hope is Jeff Ireland can kiss the Blarney stone and pull some shamrocks outta his arse and set the table for the draft...
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:24 PM   #12
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Brady didn't take a pay cut. He ends up making more money over time he extended for. So, before you go getting "weak in the knee's" over him, do a little homework.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:31 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Well, I'm going to speak a little blaspheme...

F*** Brees and his agent...

Saints took a risk and offered and signed him to the largest guaranteed money he could find when only Miami showed interests with little guaranteed money...

We've seen several times when teams pay the quarterback the big MO after a championship, the money is not there to sign the essential supporting players...

One guy, Tom Brady, has stepped up and done it right - So pardon me if I don't get weak at the knees for Brees...

See a lot of parallels between Walsh/49ers and Payton/Saints - and I can see the mistakes we've made...

Walsh knew, and wisely made the move for Young; he realized it was his system and not Montana that really made it happen...

Brees has benefited more from Payton's system than it's gone the other way...

It's Payton's offense that's the real charm and it's time to ride out the Condon contract and move on next season...

It's not all on Brees as Loomis should have been more of a GM than an errand boy with respect to the other signings...

But you know, he could've stepped up and done what Brady did the way he could've stepped up into a well-paid pocket...

Our best hope is Jeff Ireland can kiss the Blarney stone and pull some shamrocks outta his arse and set the table for the draft...
You just proved you are either full of **** or simply do not have a clue. Brady stepped up by extending his contract guaranteeing all of his original contract plus. This was praised by the dumbass media as being all for the team, but it gave him more immediate cash in his pocket and guaranteed more in the future.

Brees is now at the exact point in his career as was Brady. He will do exactly the same IF the team feels it is necessary. It is completely to Brees' favor to agree to that sort of deal (which he has reportedly already agreed to doing) and it is also to the team's advantage to make the deal, which they will in my opinion. He will restructure guaranteeing all of his current contract plus additional guaranteed monies lowering the next few year's cap hits.

My question is what is with the Brees hate here? Seriously. We have enjoyed the better part of one of the greatest QB's career in all of NFL history. He has been nothing but class on and off the field.

Blasphemy? No. In my eyes MUCH worse than that.

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Old 03-09-2016, 11:40 PM   #14
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A deal will get done.
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Old 03-10-2016, 08:39 AM   #15
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This wouldn't be half the issue it is if we wasn't paying all this dead money.
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Old 03-10-2016, 08:42 AM   #16
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He will have to if we want to dramatically improve our defense and Brees knows it. Remember who gave Brees a chance when no one else would. I don't think he will **** on that now!
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Old 03-10-2016, 09:47 AM   #17
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You just proved you are either full of **** or simply do not have a clue. Brady stepped up by extending his contract guaranteeing all of his original contract plus. This was praised by the dumbass media as being all for the team, but it gave him more immediate cash in his pocket and guaranteed more in the future.

Brees is now at the exact point in his career as was Brady. He will do exactly the same IF the team feels it is necessary. It is completely to Brees' favor to agree to that sort of deal (which he has reportedly already agreed to doing) and it is also to the team's advantage to make the deal, which they will in my opinion. He will restructure guaranteeing all of his current contract plus additional guaranteed monies lowering the next few year's cap hits.

My question is what is with the Brees hate here? Seriously. We have enjoyed the better part of one of the greatest QB's career in all of NFL history. He has been nothing but class on and off the field.
I'll take a crack at this one. This hate comes from NFL players such as Brees looking at the game from the player's perspective, which is their career, as opposed to a fan perspective.

A fan belives in championships at any or all costs and that everything should be about the team winning a championship. Also they believe because of the unbeliveable amount of money that money shouldn't factor in that belief.

So anyone who isn't willing to take a hometown discount is against the team winning a championship.

Brady didn't help because he did take a discount of a sort. While I understand that he did guarantee his money for 2013-2015, the now $27 million for the 3 extension years to 2018 represent a significant discount to market rate. Even if the Patriots are not willing to pay him the $60+ million value for his services over those three years, there are teams in the NFL that are.

So if Brees doesn't do the same, then he is somehow branded a traitor to the Saints.

Maybe if Brittany Brees made $40+ million a year like Gisele does, then maybe Drew would consider it. But Brady's situation is unique, so comparing anything else to it is a false equivalence.

Blasphemy? No. In my eyes MUCH worse than that.

It's just being nonsensical. For any of us, if our job asked us to take a 50% paycut "for the team..." when the market is offering a 12% increase, we'd give them a quizzical "WTF" look.

Yet for sports fans, that's exactly what we expect from our atheletes.

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Old 03-10-2016, 01:56 PM   #18
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Brees should get all he can. Listen, I said the same thing - was in favor of Aaron Brooks holding out for more money. Was in favor of Jake Delhomme getting his big payday. And I think Drew should do the same.

Negotiations like this are like politics. It can get nasty. That's the game.

Kid's aren't going hungry because of Drew's business acumen. He's been ethical in that regard from day 1.
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Agreed. Anyone who looks negatively at an athlete not wanting to maximize his earning potential in a very short window of opportunity clearly does not understand reality. Teams will cut and step on contracts all the time. There is no way a person will take a pay cut at all for the good of the fans or team. They will re-negotiate deals to make them more cap friendly but make no mistake, no player ever willingly gives back a dollar nor should they. Brady never lost one cent in his contract re-writes. He did what Brees needs to do here and that's get his same money or more up front and make the contract extend to lower the immediate cap to help the team sign other players.
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Brees should get all he can. Listen, I said the same thing - was in favor of Aaron Brooks holding out for more money. Was in favor of Jake Delhomme getting his big payday. And I think Drew should do the same.
I'm not exactly sure that's the issue here. Brees did get paid in 2012.

This is all about the prevailing thought that Brees is obligated to restructure for the good of the team.

Brees has good reason to restructure, as it guarantees currently unguaranteed money. However, there is the issue of new money and extended years.
Negotiations like this are like politics. It can get nasty. That's the game.

Kid's aren't going hungry because of Drew's business acumen. He's been ethical in that regard from day 1.
Agreed. Also I still don't think it's just as cut and dried for the Saints either. Every extra year of an extension is a potential pitfall if Brees decides to retire at 40 or 41 as this will accelerate the previously paid guaranteed money directly into the current cap year.

Manning and Denver didn't have that problem because basically the Broncos were paying Manning cash money with no bonus each year. So the residual dead money is virtually nonexistent.

In the end I think everyone is on the same page. That being having Drew retire a Saint, and the team getting a shot at another championship without overmortgaging the future to do it.

Tough sledding.

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