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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Utah_Saint It's the other way around. Fleener ran in the 4.4's, Graham ran in the 4.5's. I guess everyone has their own definition for "decent stats" but just taking a quick look at TE stats for 2014.... ...

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Old 03-29-2016, 11:59 AM   #41
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It's the other way around. Fleener ran in the 4.4's, Graham ran in the 4.5's.

I guess everyone has their own definition for "decent stats" but just taking a quick look at TE stats for 2014....

Fleener led TE's in Yards per catch
1. Fleener - 15.2
2. Walker - 14.3
3. Gronkowski - 13.7
4. Paul - 13.0
11. Graham - 10.5

Fleener was 2nd in TD/Catch
1. Antonio Gates - 17.39%
2. Fleener - 15.69%
3. Gronkowski - 14.63%
4. Graham - 11.76%

2nd in 20yds+ Rec
1. Gronkowski - 19
2. Fleener - 16
3. Kelce - 15
4. Walker - 13
11. Graham - 8

5th in YAC/Rec
1. Kelce - 7.01
2. Paul - 6.49
3. Gronkowski - 5.79
4. Walker - 5.63
5. Fleener - 5.59
15. Graham - 3.24

(source: ESPN Stats, Receiving, 2014)

Edit: Fleener also ranked 6th on PFF's pass blocking efficiency ratings. Some of the guys above him on the ranking aren't generally thought of as pass catching TEs. None of the guys ranked higher in Pass Blocking Efficiency, finished in the top 15 in receptions.
I don't believe I have it backwards with the 40 times. I remember reading somewhere, after we selected him, that Jimmy ran somewhere in the 4.4's. If that information was incorrect, nevertheless, I can't find anything that has Fleener in the 4.4's. Watching Fleener in games, he looks nothing close to that, frankly. And as far as yards per catch, I couldn't care less. Devery Henderson used to excel in that category. I'm more interested in the volume of catches, and the ability to make tough catches in crucial situations. And using the TD per catch stat, you would have Josh Hill probably at number one a couple of years ago. That stat is meaningless.

As I've said, Fleener is a decent player. I'm not totally dumping all over his ability. I think he brings certain things to the table. But he's no Jimmy Graham, and Graham himself was not the most reliable in critical situations.
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Old 03-29-2016, 04:56 PM   #42
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I don't believe I have it backwards with the 40 times. I remember reading somewhere, after we selected him, that Jimmy ran somewhere in the 4.4's. If that information was incorrect, nevertheless, I can't find anything that has Fleener in the 4.4's. Watching Fleener in games, he looks nothing close to that, frankly. And as far as yards per catch, I couldn't care less. Devery Henderson used to excel in that category. I'm more interested in the volume of catches, and the ability to make tough catches in crucial situations. And using the TD per catch stat, you would have Josh Hill probably at number one a couple of years ago. That stat is meaningless.

As I've said, Fleener is a decent player. I'm not totally dumping all over his ability. I think he brings certain things to the table. But he's no Jimmy Graham, and Graham himself was not the most reliable in critical situations.
Info such as 40 times are really not that hard to find. Fleener was invited to the combine (2012) but didn't run due to an ankle injury. He had a 4.51s 40 at his pro day thou. Graham also was invited to the combine (2010) where he ran a 4.56s 40.
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Info such as 40 times are really not that hard to find. Fleener was invited to the combine (2012) but didn't run due to an ankle injury. He had a 4.51s 40 at his pro day thou. Graham also was invited to the combine (2010) where he ran a 4.56s 40.
I'm aware of how to find it. I distinctly remember, however, reading something about Jimmy running in the 4.4's. When you type in "40 time" for any player you tend to only get the combine number. There are always conflicting numbers given from different time mechanisms that are used. But as I said to the other poster, there is nothing about Fleener running in the 4.4's. More importantly, Jimmy had "football speed". Fleener doesn't appear to move THAT well in pads, to me. And my whole point is in response to someone who said we're getting a faster version of Graham.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Hill has no trade clause.
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Hill has no trade clause.
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what?
haha... I'm not kidding. Bears offered him that deal.
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wonder if the saints might use Hill as trade bait on draft day?
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wonder if the saints might use Hill as trade bait on draft day?
We can't. He has a no trade clause in his contract.
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We can't. He has a no trade clause in his contract.
Wow really? so much for that I guess. ahh this is were it came from. thanks

As part of his deal, the tight end has a no-trade clause written into his deal for the 2016 and 2017 seasons, according to source. The clause was written in by the Chicago Bears, who signed Hill to an offer sheet, and became part of the deal when New Orleans matched the offer.

The clause was put in by the Chicago Bears, who signed Hill to an offer sheet, and became part of the deal when New Orleans matched the offer.

http://blogs.theadvocate.com/blackan...tract-details/

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That sounds a little like the poison-pill clauses teams were doing a couple of years back, only a lighter version of it.
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