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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by CheramieIII Re-signed: FB Austin Johnson, CB Kyle Wilson, G Senio Kelemete, TEMichael Hoomanawanui, K Kai Forbath, RB Travaris Cadet, QB Luke McCown, S Jamarca Sanford, TE Josh Hill Signed: TE Coby Fleener, LB Nathan Stupar, LB James ...

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Old 04-03-2016, 12:15 PM   #21
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Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly

Originally Posted by CheramieIII View Post
Re-signed: FB Austin Johnson, CB Kyle Wilson, G Senio Kelemete, TEMichael Hoomanawanui, K Kai Forbath, RB Travaris Cadet, QB Luke McCown, S Jamarca Sanford, TE Josh Hill
Signed: TE Coby Fleener, LB Nathan Stupar, LB James Laurinaitis, LB Craig Robertson, DT Nick Fairley, K Josh Scobee, Nick Fairley
Lost/cut: S Rafael Bush, TE Benjamin Watson, G Jahri Evans, LB David Hawthorne, LB Ramon Humber, WR Seantavius Jones, WR Marques Colston, CB Brandon Browner, RB Khiry Robinson

If you look at what we lost and gained I think that the front office did very good maybe a B- and here's why:

Linebackers - we lost Humber and Hawthorne but gained Lauranitis, Stupar and Robertson. Good trade off in my opinion.

TE - we lost Watson but gained Fleenor and re-signed Hoomanawanui and retained Hill. GREAT in my opinion.

RB - we lost Robinson but re-signed Cadet and are talking to Hightower about re-signing and that will be a GREAT win in my opinion. We will sign Hightower.

WR - we lost Colston and Jones who but Cooks, Snead and Coleman are ready to take over. We could use someone like Boldin that's not afraid to go over the middle. Good move in my opinion. We will get another receiver like Colston before the season starts. Look for it in the later rounds of the draft. Coach is good at picking gems in the late rounds.

CB - we lost Browner. What loss? He was Browner than burnt toast! We re-signed Wilson and will get 1 or 2 more in the draft. Good in my opinion.

S - we lost Bush but re-signed Sanford and signed Eric Dixon. Good trade in my opinion. We will get one more before the season starts. Nelson or Whitener since his release from Cleveland would both be great additions.

Kicker - we signed Scobee and he will replace Forbath for sure. Great move in my opinion.

Guard - we lost Evans but re-signed Clemente and will move Peat to LG and this position will be addressed in the draft probably 3rd round. Below Average in my opinion.

FB - retaining Austin is a win.

QB - we re-signed McCown and will eventually restructure Drew to free up a lot more cap space. Good in my opinion.

Defensive Line - we signed Fairley which is a fairly decent move but still need to address the Defensive Line and we will with Jarran Reed or A'Shaun in the first and a hulk of a DT or stand up DE in the 2nd. We will get either Shaq Lawson from Clemson or Calhoun from Michigan State. If Billings from Baylor falls to us in the 2nd, Correa DE/OLB Boise State or Howard CB Baylor we will grab one. Good in my opinion.

and guys and gals we still have 3.3 million in cap space with Drew's restructure left. GREAT IN MY OPINION.

B- is my final offer!
Thank you for making me feel better. Hopefully we will be able to fill the rest of the holes with the draft.

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Old 04-03-2016, 04:59 PM   #22
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I'd give it a C-minus at this point in time. That's based mainly on what they failed to do instead of what they actually did. Getting Fleener (overpay), Fairley (1-year stop gap), and Lauranaitis could end up as good moves. But not addressing this team's most serious holes (DE, DT, Safety, OG) is a head scratcher. Loomis has crippled this franchise with a series of terrible FA signings, unwise extensions, and poor results in the draft. Leading the league in dead money is not a good thing. Let's hope we do better in the 2016 draft.
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Old 04-03-2016, 05:30 PM   #23
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I give it a yawn so far. which is not a bad thing. But it ain't kool aid either

grade comes after the final game of the 2016 season.
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I'd give it a C-minus at this point in time. That's based mainly on what they failed to do instead of what they actually did. Getting Fleener (overpay), Fairley (1-year stop gap), and Lauranaitis could end up as good moves. But not addressing this team's most serious holes (DE, DT, Safety, OG) is a head scratcher. Loomis has crippled this franchise with a series of terrible FA signings, unwise extensions, and poor results in the draft. Leading the league in dead money is not a good thing. Let's hope we do better in the 2016 draft.
We did address DT and why do you think we have a serious hole at safety?

And as Guido stated...

Moving Kikaha to DE, where he played and excelled at in college, and adding Fairley to the inside will prove to be a solid improvement. Lauriniatis gives the Saints a true field general in the middle and allows Anthony to concentrate solely on doing his job.

Fairley was the top rated DT in free agency. That isn't a splash? Lauriniatis was the top rated MLB and the second rated ILB in the FA market. Not a splash? Fleener was the second rated TE in the FA market behind Antonio Gates and everyone knew Gates was re-upping with SD. Not a splash? Bigger splashes did not exist at the positions needed by the Saints.
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Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly

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I'd give it a C-minus at this point in time. That's based mainly on what they failed to do instead of what they actually did. Getting Fleener (overpay), Fairley (1-year stop gap), and Lauranaitis could end up as good moves. But not addressing this team's most serious holes (DE, DT, Safety, OG) is a head scratcher. Loomis has crippled this franchise with a series of terrible FA signings, unwise extensions, and poor results in the draft. Leading the league in dead money is not a good thing. Let's hope we do better in the 2016 draft.
In slamming Loomis you are giving him FAR too much credit. Loomis' main job is to make the money work. You are terribly mistaken if you blame personnel moves on him.
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Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly

Forbath only made 69.2% of his field goals last year, it shouldn't be too hard for Scobee to compete
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Scobee isn't any better as he missed fgs himself. I can't envision Scobee having a turnaround just because he could be on a winning team. That's like throwing darts at a dartboard. When a kicker starts falling, that's it.
I'm still guessing he kicks better than 69% in the Dome,
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The Saints needed veteran talent and leadership at LB. They got it. The Saints needed a TE. They got a potential play maker. The Saints needed more athleticism at DT. They got it. The draft is now set up where they can take the BPA. And this draft is loaded with defensive talent. Unless they wiff in the draft, the Saints are a better team than they were last year.
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For that matter there is a reason San Diego moved on Brees too!
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Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly

Originally Posted by CheramieIII View Post
Re-signed: FB Austin Johnson, CB Kyle Wilson, G Senio Kelemete, TEMichael Hoomanawanui, K Kai Forbath, RB Travaris Cadet, QB Luke McCown, S Jamarca Sanford, TE Josh Hill Cadet infuriates me but the coaches seem to love him.
Signed: TE Coby Fleener, LB Nathan Stupar, LB James Laurinaitis, LB Craig Robertson, DT Nick Fairley, K Josh Scobee, Nick Fairley
Lost/cut: S Rafael Bush, TE Benjamin Watson, G Jahri Evans, LB David Hawthorne, LB Ramon Humber, WR Seantavius Jones, WR Marques Colston, CB Brandon Browner, RB Khiry Robinson


If you look at what we lost and gained I think that the front office did very good maybe a B- and here's why:

Linebackers - we lost Humber and Hawthorne but gained Lauranitis, Stupar and Robertson. Good trade off in my opinion.
Laurinitis>Anthony(at MLB'er) Stupar=Humber
Stupar and Robertson improves our depth tremendously. imho

TE - we lost Watson but gained Fleenor and re-signed Hoomanawanui and retained Hill. GREAT in my opinion.
Fleener has a ton of upside with Drew throwing to him. Hill is average at best but I like Houman.

RB - we lost Robinson but re-signed Cadet and are talking to Hightower about re-signing and that will be a GREAT win in my opinion. We will sign Hightower.
I will miss Robinson and I'm sick that Cadet is wasting another roster spot......he won't continue to contribute like he did when he rejoined the team late last year. I'm hoping we re-sign Hightower. Fingers crossed.

WR - we lost Colston and Jones who but Cooks, Snead and Coleman are ready to take over. We could use someone like Boldin that's not afraid to go over the middle. Good move in my opinion. We will get another receiver like Colston before the season starts. Look for it in the later rounds of the draft. Coach is good at picking gems in the late rounds. Right now we only have Fleener to work the middle. We need another big body to take Colston's snaps across the middle. We also need a burner to complete the Hendereson/Meachem roole.

CB - we lost Browner. What loss? He was Browner than burnt toast! We re-signed Wilson and will get 1 or 2 more in the draft. Good in my opinion.
If last years rookies can contribute and Lewis is healthy we will be alright at corner. But if we have one corner go down we are in trouble with no depth on the roster.

S - we lost Bush but re-signed Sanford and signed Eric Dixon. Good trade in my opinion. We will get one more before the season starts. Nelson or Whitener since his release from Cleveland would both be great additions.
Kicker - we signed Scobee and he will replace Forbath for sure. Great move in my opinion.

Guard - we lost Evans but re-signed Clemente and will move Peat to LG and this position will be addressed in the draft probably 3rd round. Below Average in my opinion.
We have Kelemete or Lelito to fill the RG spot with decent depth. I don't want to have Peat playing LG. That means we dropped the ball and he has to play there. We need 3rd or fourth round draft pick at LG to step up and start right away. We may spend another draft pick here as well.
FB - retaining Austin is a win.
I really think that Houman gets of his snaps
QB - we re-signed McCown and will eventually restructure Drew to free up a lot more cap space. Good in my opinion.

Defensive Line - we signed Fairley which is a fairly decent move but still need to address the Defensive Line and we will with Jarran Reed or A'Shaun in the first and a hulk of a DT or stand up DE in the 2nd. We will get either Shaq Lawson from Clemson or Calhoun from Michigan State. If Billings from Baylor falls to us in the 2nd, Correa DE/OLB Boise State or Howard CB Baylor we will grab one. Good in my opinion.
Adding Fairley is a B+ if only for value.

and guys and gals we still have 3.3 million in cap space with Drew's restructure left. GREAT IN MY OPINION.

B- is my final offer!
Well thought out my friend!
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